Re: Discussion & News: China----(JANUARY 2019)

by Dave58 Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:08 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
Dave58 wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/richardker/status/1221074001688027137

Sounds like they are going to try and close down Beijing on Sunday... I guess they are trying to let all the New Years people get home first

Read my above post.

That post, and yours saying that bejing is going to be closed tells me S is hitting the fan there. It's pretty much as bad as we think it is.

I just read it ... This is seriously scary stuff.. I checked the pharmacy that my wife works for and they are out of N-95 mask in all their stores.. I was just curious..

If this stuff gets out here its going to be a real mess. We live in the country so not to bad to be here , but I wouldn't want to be in town....

I thought the Steven King video was appropriate
May God bless us all

Sorry you will have to scroll down for the video

by TRex2 Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:25 pm

The majority of bad news seems to be coming true, with a detail here and there missing the ballpark entirely. I would say that some of the doomsday reports were made up, but then the virus turned out to be as bad as the exaggerations.

For instance, I have seen nothing that indicates snakes or dogs were involved in this, in any way, but both were reported.

A few weeks ago, Dilbert had a cartoon saying we had reached "Parody Inversion" and that reality was as crazy as the parodies we try to make about it.

He may have been prophetic.

But remember: Jesus is still in control.

by **ReadyMom** Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:32 pm

-Sigh- ... that's all I got for now ... a BIG -sigh- Neutral

by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:58 pm

TRex2 wrote:The majority of bad news seems to be coming true, with a detail here and there missing the ballpark entirely. I would say that some of the doomsday reports were made up, but then the virus turned out to be as bad as the exaggerations.

For instance, I have seen nothing that indicates snakes or dogs were involved in this, in any way, but both were reported.

A few weeks ago, Dilbert had a cartoon saying we had reached "Parody Inversion" and that reality was as crazy as the parodies we try to make about it.

He may have been prophetic.

But remember: Jesus is still in control.

Very true.

And that's the worst part of this whole ordeal.

All the reports that leak out tend to confirm the "worst case scenario" rumors, and very little information is backing up what the Chinese state claims as their version of the facts.

There hasn't been a credible report yet to reassure anyone. Every update tends to lean on the worst case side.

I think the next few days will be very telling. If it's as bad as the leaks report they won't be able to hide it much longer.

by **ReadyMom** Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:13 pm

Bejing has shut down their roads:

Hat Tip to 'Shiloh', FluTrackers:

Translated:

Inter-provincial passenger transport on all roads in Beijing ceased
http://www.kaixian.tv/gd/2020/0126/265070.html
2020-01-26 01:00:40 Source: Beijing News

On January 25, at the Sanyuanqiao subway station, a person wearing a protective suit would take a temperature test on the passengers at the entrance. Photo by Beijing News reporter Li Kaixiang

Xinjing News News Last night, the reporter verified from relevant persons in the Beijing Municipal Transportation Department that all inter-provincial passenger transportation on Beijing's roads will be suspended from today according to the requirements of the Beijing epidemic prevention and control work. As of 17:00 on January 25, Beijing has accumulated 41 confirmed cases. According to the Beijing Municipal Health and Health Commission, a male patient with new-type coronavirus pneumonia in Beijing recovered and was discharged on January 25. At present, 2 people have been discharged from Beijing...

by **ReadyMom** Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:25 pm

Scientists Predict Wuhan's Outbreak Will Get Much Worse
https://www.wired.com/story/scientists-predict-wuhans-outbreak-will-get-much-worse/

As more data on the new coronavirus circulating in China emerges, it’s becoming clear that whatever the country is experiencing now—dozens of deaths, hundreds of people hospitalized, cities of millions quarantined—is just the tip of the outbreak.

On Friday, a team of researchers based in the UK and US reported in a preliminary paper that the number of confirmed cases at the outbreak’s epicenter in Wuhan reflects only 5 percent of people who are actually infected. That would mean that for Tuesday, the last day they included in their analysis, the real number of cases is not 440, as has been reported, but is more like 12,000.

by **ReadyMom** Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:39 pm

This was shared in a facebook page I'm on. Permssion was given to share, but to withold the poster's name:

The numbers are grossly deflated. I'm an emotional mess right now. I teach kids in China online. I have two in Wuhan, the city of 11 million where the outbreak started. The stories the kids are telling are very different from the "official" story. One girl said that 653 people have died in her neighborhood alone.

A teenager who speaks English with near-native fluency says the government is telling people not to go to the hospital, that the hospitals cannot help them and that they will only make more people sick. He said that most of the deaths are being attributed to pneumonia since people are dying in their homes without officially being diagnosed. He said that people are afraid to leave their homes and are trying to subsist on what little food they have in their homes. He said that they had only thin rice porridge for Chinese New Year (a traditional feast) because his mother said they must make their food last as long as possible.

One girl (not my student) told her teacher that her brother had been hospitalized for three days and was recovering, that her mother got sick caring for her brother and was now very ill, that her grandfather had been taken away to a hospital, and that she and her father had started coughing. ... My heart is breaking. A few weeks ago, these kids were counting down the days to the holiday. Now, even my bubbliest students are somber.

by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:46 pm

ReadyMom wrote:This was shared in a facebook page I'm on. Permssion was given to share, but to withold the poster's name:

The numbers are grossly deflated. I'm an emotional mess right now. I teach kids in China online. I have two in Wuhan, the city of 11 million where the outbreak started. The stories the kids are telling are very different from the "official" story. One girl said that 653 people have died in her neighborhood alone.

A teenager who speaks English with near-native fluency says the government is telling people not to go to the hospital, that the hospitals cannot help them and that they will only make more people sick. He said that most of the deaths are being attributed to pneumonia since people are dying in their homes without officially being diagnosed. He said that people are afraid to leave their homes and are trying to subsist on what little food they have in their homes. He said that they had only thin rice porridge for Chinese New Year (a traditional feast) because his mother said they must make their food last as long as possible.

One girl (not my student) told her teacher that her brother had been hospitalized for three days and was recovering, that her mother got sick caring for her brother and was now very ill, that her grandfather had been taken away to a hospital, and that she and her father had started coughing. ... My heart is breaking. A few weeks ago, these kids were counting down the days to the holiday. Now, even my bubbliest students are somber.

That's terrible.

I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of that post so I'll chalk it up as another first hand account of things being much much worse than being officially reported.

Sad

by **ReadyMom** Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:42 pm

So ... I've just been banned for SEVEN days, on a facebook mom 's group for posting a link to here, for updates for folks! I gain NOTHING for folks visiting here to keep up and their members loose a lot. Angry Orange Face

(I was finding it hard to post in multiple places and still surf the net/forums so posted link to here, to help me keep up.)

by Dave58 Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:51 pm

Sounds kinda like facebook jail......

RM you help a lot of people and do a lot of good don't let it get to you.... It will be their loss... Hug

by TRex2 Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:35 pm

ReadyMom wrote:So ... I've just been banned for SEVEN days, on a facebook mom 's group for posting a link to here, for updates for folks!

Dave58 wrote:Sounds kinda like facebook jail......
RM you help a lot of people and do a lot of good don't let it get to you.... It will be their loss...

Sounds to me like the mom's group leader wants to keep their heads buried in the sand.

by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:48 pm

TRex2 wrote:
ReadyMom wrote:So ... I've just been banned for SEVEN days, on a facebook mom 's group for posting a link to here, for updates for folks!
Dave58 wrote:Sounds kinda like facebook jail......
RM you help a lot of people and do a lot of good don't let it get to you.... It will be their loss...
Sounds to me like the mom's group leader wants to keep their heads buried in the sand.

Crab behavior Wink

by oldasrocks Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:19 pm

OK got here. I did not read all the back messages. As i told RM we have a contact in Hong Kong feeding us info as best he can. From what we know china has shut off the outgoing net there so no new stuff coming out. He said 90,000 dead in Wuhan but think he meant 90,000 infected. Either way it is a bunch of sick people. 23 cities under quarantine, lots of places shut down inc Starbucks and Mickey Dees OH MY that would be the end of the world if happened here.
We are hearing other stuff from Taiwan like 30 some students who came over from china are infected. No conformation yet.

This whole thing is very fluid and changes hourly. I will try to keep up with the contacts we have and report accordingly;

Wife is booked for a Taiwan visit the 12th and afraid we will be cancelling.

by rick1 Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:31 pm

oldasrocks wrote:OK got here. I did not read all the back messages. As i told RM we have a contact in Hong Kong feeding us info as best he can. From what we know china has shut off the outgoing net there so no new stuff coming out. He said 90,000 dead in Wuhan but think he meant 90,000 infected. Either way it is a bunch of sick people. 23 cities under quarantine, lots of places shut down inc Starbucks and Mickey Dees OH MY that would be the end of the world if happened here.
We are hearing other stuff from Taiwan like 30 some students who came over from china are infected. No conformation yet.

This whole thing is very fluid and changes hourly. I will try to keep up with the contacts we have and report accordingly;

Wife is booked for a Taiwan visit the 12th and afraid we will be cancelling.

Ghees OAR, I thought maybe you deserted EHP and got lost on APN!!!!!!!! Laugh Animated

by **ReadyMom** Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:51 pm

Photos of roads being physically blocked that were posted on facebook:

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by oldasrocks Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:34 am

Nope, could not get on for a long time. RM finally straighened me out.

Have not been on the puter a lot as cataracts have been messing up my eyesight. Going in the 29th to see if I can get surgery

by oldasrocks Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:18 am

Wife has listened to audio several times. Du on su (sp) means DEAD so supposedly Wuhan has 90,000 dead so far.

Again I cannot confirm this info as just a translation from a nurse in Wuhan. She is wearing a Level 4 haz mat suit in the vidio. You can see from the skaky camera this in not a profession video.

OAR ... is this the video?

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:35 am

Don’t buy the media hype over the new China virus
https://nypost.com/2020/01/23/dont-buy-the-media-hype-over-the-new-china-virus/?fbclid=IwAR3iNBKMj8REBHF0d730TUbLoWIeIdKrxKYlCraw__JS0xaw1xIH2MIE8iI

(SNIP) ... there appears to be nothing very special about this outbreak of the 2019-nCoV or Wuhan virus. It should actually be called the DvV, or Déjà vu Virus, because we have been through these hysterias before. Over and over. Heterosexual AIDS, Ebola repeatedly, the H1N1 swine flu that was actually vastly milder than the regular flu and, especially, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in 2003.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:44 am

Bejjing Schools Close:

Hat Tip to 'tetano', FluTrackers:

Beijing junior high school, kindergarten, kindergarten spring semester postponed
http://www.chinanews.com/sh/2020/01-26/9070225.shtml

China News Network, Beijing, January 26 (Reporter Yu Lixiao) With the consent of the Beijing Municipal Party Committee and the Municipal Government, the city's universities, primary schools, and kindergartens have decided to postpone the spring semester of 2020, while suspending offline training activities outside the city's off-campus training institutions.

Li Yi, deputy director and spokesperson of the Beijing Municipal Education Commission, said at a press conference on the prevention and control of pneumonia of new coronavirus infection in Beijing on the 26th, stating that the safety of teachers and students and their health must be put first One, fully understand the severe situation of the current epidemic prevention and control, and resolutely curb the pneumonia epidemic of the new type of coronavirus infection, which may spread in primary and middle schools, kindergartens and off-school training institutions.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:47 am

Inside a Wuhan hospital as medics fight the coronavirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6S51KPWKCY&feature=youtu.be

by oldasrocks Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:06 am

oldasrocks wrote:Wife has listened to audio several times. Du on su (sp) means DEAD so supposedly Wuhan has 90,000 dead so far.

Again I cannot confirm this info as just a translation from a nurse in Wuhan. She is wearing a Level 4 haz mat suit in the vidio. You can see from the skaky camera this in not a profession video.

OAR ... is this the video?

Yes this is the video. Any other Mandedrin speakers out there? In the english translation it says "Infected" but du on su means dead in Manderin.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:20 am

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

More boots on the ground in Wuhan: Mask-wearing soldiers roll into locked-down city with 14,000 hazmat suits as part of huge operation to build two hospitals and contain deadly outbreak
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7931081/China-sends-troops-Wuhan-Mask-wearing-soldiers-locked-city-14-000-hazmat-suits.html

--Soldiers unloaded medical supplies from the back of a jet in Wuhan on Saturday
--City of 11million remains locked-down as death toll in China increased to 56
--Beijing has said the country is entering a 'crucial stage' in dealing with the virus
--It comes as the number of cases reported worldwide soared to over 2,000

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:21 am

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

VIDEO:

China coronavirus: 'It's manic, everyone is trying to stockpile food'
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-51256219/china-coronavirus-it-s-manic-everyone-is-trying-to-stockpile-food

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:25 am

Chinese health minister: Deadly coronavirus outbreak 'getting stronger'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w94Iou5MFTM

by TRex2 Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:56 am

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
oldasrocks wrote:Especially when they say you can spread the disease 10 days before symptoms appear.
This.
This is what will make containing the virus extremely difficult.
The virus will be spreading in places and getting established before we realize it's even there.

This is common with the cold virus (a distant cousin to the 2019-nCoV). It is why I have never taken any precautions to keep from getting the common cold. I just consider it inevitable, and it isn't very damaging. This new virus changed that last item.

by TRex2 Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:03 am

ReadyMom wrote:Don’t buy the media hype over the new China virus
...
(SNIP) ... there appears to be nothing very special about this outbreak of the 2019-nCoV or Wuhan virus. It should actually be called the DvV, or Déjà vu Virus, because ...

While we do need to be on guard, not panicking for media hype, the part of the article you posted here reminds me of something said, right after Y2K.
"We didn't need to do all of that stuff before Y2K. Nothing happened."
Wrong. I wrote some of the programs that would have crashed on Y2k.
Nothing happened because we did a lot of work to fix it.

We shouldn't panic, be we need to understand that this virus is serious, and it is (currently) out of control.

by oldasrocks Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:53 am

I say we should PANIC
Wife just read that 17 doctors treating patients have died.

by Drinkthekoolaid Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:26 pm

oldasrocks wrote:I say we should PANIC
Wife just read that 17 doctors treating patient's have died.

Link to the story?

If health care workers start to drop in large numbers then it's way worse than we think. They have all the sanitation training, protective gear etc and if they start to die thats a bad sign.

There are multiple posts in this thread where people directly in China are claiming over 90,000 dead. This is unconfirmed but based on Chinas reaction to this crisis the individual single source accounts are trending towards cooberating the same message, that it's way worse than official reports claim.

by Dave58 Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:34 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7930627/US-warns-evacuate-Americans-coronavirus-epicenter-Wuhan-rescue-flight.html#i-856ba871f38c434e

Just founds this

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:47 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
oldasrocks wrote:I say we should PANIC
Wife just read that 17 doctors treating patient's have died.

Link to the story?

Saw this, when I checked my phone, after church and was just going to post same link request, now that I am home. I'll also do some searching to see what I can find.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:49 pm

Coronavirus Deaths Are So Far Mostly Older Men, Many With Previous Health Issues
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/world/asia/coronavirus-victims-wuhan.html

(SNIP) ... the initial deaths show a disease that has thus far largely killed older men, many of who had underlying health problems.

by rick1 Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:08 pm

oldasrocks wrote:I say we should PANIC
Wife just read that 17 doctors treating patients have died.

I agree with the panic part. Shocked

China running out of medical supplies:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/25/china/wuhan-coronavirus-update-intl-hnk/index.html

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:22 pm

rick1 wrote:
oldasrocks wrote:I say we should PANIC
Wife just read that 17 doctors treating patients have died.

I agree with the panic part.

China running out of medical supplies:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/25/china/wuhan-coronavirus-update-intl-hnk/index.html

Seriously .... I don't think we should use the 'P' word yet ... Panic OR Pandemic ... till REALLY necessary. I'm afraid you guys are going to scare all the non-member visitors that are watching this page. Caution is good though. VERY diligent caution Nuclear Alert

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:35 pm

Hat Tip to Pathfinder, FluTrackers:

National Health Commission of the PRC-Transcript of the press conference on January 26, 2020
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/wjw/xwdt/202001/12ec9062d5d041f38e210e8b69b6d7ef.shtml

Translation Google

Release time: 2020-01-26
...
Ma Xiaowei:
Since the outbreak, scientists in China, especially virologists, have done a lot of work. One week after the outbreak, a new coronavirus was isolated from patient samples and the pathogens were found. From the perspective of gene sequencing, the new coronavirus is a new strain that is different from the SARS virus and the MERS virus. A new member has been added to the coronavirus family. Judging from the clinical epidemiological data, we have initially learned that the virus may have evolved from wild animals to humans in the early days. Now it is gradually adapting to survive in humans and entering the period of human-to-human transmission. From the current clinical cases, In some severe cases and some mild cases, the virus has begun to spread from person to person. According to recent clinical data, the transmission of the virus seems to have increased, and the toxicity and pathogenicity of the virus need to be analyzed based on more clinical data.
　　
Judging from the present, the spread of the epidemic situation is relatively fast, which brings some challenges and pressures to prevention and control. Experts predict that the epidemic is now entering a more severe and complicated period, and the measures taken by Wuhan's prevention and control work have played an important role in controlling the epidemic. Judging from the work across the country, the epidemic is still in its early stages of spread. Now the country has taken more powerful measures. These measures should be able to control the epidemic at a lower cost and faster speed, and achieve the final victory in this prevention and control work. 2020-01-26 15:59:06
...
Ma Xiaowei:
At present, the epidemic situation is severe and complex, and it is in a critical period of prevention and control. From the scope of transmission, there are local outbreaks in Wuhan and multiple outbreaks across the country. In addition to Tibet, confirmed cases and suspected cases have been reported in 30 provinces across the country. Cases have been found in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan in China, and cases have also been found in some neighboring countries. From the perspective of transmission characteristics, some patients have low or normal early body temperature, more mild cases, and recessive infection. At present, the infectivity of the virus is increasing, and the "walking source of infection" has greatly increased the difficulty of prevention and control. Judging from the epidemic situation, the main route is respiratory transmission. Our knowledge of the new coronavirus is still very limited, the source of infection has not been found, the mechanism of transmission and the mutation of the virus are unclear. As a new infectious disease, the possibility of the virus changing over a period of time may not be ruled out. There may be some new situations appearing, and the degree of harm of the virus to people of different ages is also changing. We have experience in combating SARS. The SARS epidemic took three to four months to pass. The pneumonia epidemic of the new coronavirus infection has mild patients. The incubation period is also infectious from observation. The incubation period is about 10 Around one day, the shortest was one day, and the longest was 14 days, which is very different from SARS. At present, the rate of development of the epidemic is accelerating. I am afraid that it will continue for some time, and the number of cases may increase.
...
Ma Xiaowei:
Virus mutation is a matter of great concern to everyone. Today, together with the press conference, Mr. Gao Fu, an academician of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, was the host of the successful isolation of a new type of coronavirus. The situation. 2020-01-26 17:26:55

Gao Fu:
Thank you, this reporter friend, everyone is very concerned about this matter. Just now, Director Xiao Wei introduced the process of virus discovery. I am doing virus research. Each virus has its own characteristics. From the perspective of human perception of coronaviruses, coronaviruses will mutate as they spread through the body. This is the previous understanding of other coronaviruses. We have been paying close attention to whether the virus will mutate. Due to the development of three generations of sequencing technology, we can quickly see its various changes. But because coronavirus is different from other viruses, if it is an avian flu virus, it may tell everyone whether it has changed and where it changed. From the beginning of the virus to today, no significant changes have been seen in viruses isolated from the environment, viruses previously isolated from humans, and viruses isolated recently. This is our current knowledge of new coronaviruses. We are based on the accumulation of previous knowledge and based on the knowledge of the entire coronavirus or virology. No mutation has been found in the virus, because the differences between the viruses are very small, less than 1%, these differences are still being screened, and further monitoring is needed. Thank you. 2020-01-26 17:27:25

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:40 pm

Well heck, this should make control easier from 'ground zero' .... NOT!

Hat Tip to 'sharon sanders', FluTrackers:

Wuhan Pneumonia] Mayor of Wuhan: More than 5 million people leave Wuhan (23:35)
https://news.mingpao.com/ins/%e5%85%a9%e5%b2%b8/article/20200126/s00004/1580052102954/%e3%80%90%e6%ad%a6%e6%bc%a2%e8%82%ba%e7%82%8e%e3%80%91%e6%ad%a6%e6%bc%a2%e5%b8%82%e9%95%b7-%e9%80%be500%e8%90%ac%e4%ba%ba%e9%9b%a2%e9%96%8b%e6%ad%a6%e6%bc%a2

Figure 1-1-Wuhan Hankou Yanjiang Avenue is inaccessible today (26th). (Xinhua News Agency) The outbreak of new-type coronavirus in the Mainland continues. Wuhan Mayor Zhou Xianwang said today (26th) that more than 5 million people have left Wuhan and another 9 million are still in the city. It is estimated that there may be another 1,000 confirmed cases in Wuhan.

In addition, China's CDC detected for the first time from 585 environmental samples in the South China Seafood Market today that 33 samples contained novel coronavirus nucleic acids. These samples came from 22 stalls and a garbage truck in the market. Positive samples exceeded 90%. From the western part of the market, where there is a wildlife trade, it is highly suspected that the outbreak was related to wildlife trade.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:45 pm

Hat Tip to 'Shiloh', FluTrackers:

Translated:

Three ministry officials respond to top ten concerns about new pneumonia
http://www.chinanews.com/sh/2020/01-26/9070472.shtml

January 26, 2020 23:18 Source: China News Network

Video: National Health Commission: The epidemic situation is severe and complex at the critical period of prevention and control
Source: China News Network

Langzhong News Agency, Beijing, January 26th. Topic: China's three ministries and officials respond to ten major concerns about the new pneumonia epidemic

Langzhong News Agency reporter Ma Haiyan Li Chun

The pneumonia epidemic of new coronavirus infection continues to attract attention. As of 24:00 on January 25, the National Health Committee of China has received a total of 1975 confirmed cases in 30 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities). The Information Office of the State Council of China held a press conference in Beijing on the 26th. Officials from the three ministries and commissions introduced relevant situations and responded to popular concerns.

如何 How to solve the shortage of doctors?

晓 Ma Xiaowei, director of the National Health Committee, said that the central government has coordinated and dispatched medical resources across the country and has sent seven medical treatment teams of more than 900 people to Hubei to help Wuhan. The army has sent a medical team of 450 people in place. At the same time, there are 8 medical teams with more than 1,000 people on standby. On the 26th and 27th, 12 more teams of 1,600 will be dispatched.
On the first day of January 25th, the first affiliated hospital of Guangxi Medical University, more than 2,000 medical staff wore protective equipment, adhered to the clinical frontline, and built a new type of pneumonia prevention and control safety defense line with practical actions. Recently, pneumonia of a new type of coronavirus infection occurred in Wuhan, Hubei and other regions. According to the Guangxi Health and Health Commission on the 25th, at present, Guangxi has reported a total of 23 confirmed cases of pneumonia due to new coronavirus infection. The picture shows medical personnel wearing protective equipment to adhere to the clinical front line. (Reporter Zhang Guangquan) Photo by Lan Feiyan
The picture shows medical personnel wearing protective equipment to adhere to the clinical front line. (Reporter Zhang Guangquan) Photo by Lan Feiyan

如何 How does bed tension increase?

Ma Xiaowei said that by the evening of the 25th, the adjustment of medical and health resources in Wuhan had improved significantly, and 2,400 new beds had been opened. In the next three days, Wuhan may open nearly 5,000 beds. The shortage of medical resources and the inability to live in hospitals will ease.

如何 How to alleviate the lack of supplies?

Wang Jiangping, deputy minister of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, put forward four major measures: first, use the central reserve to ensure the needs of the epidemic area; second, do everything possible to resume production and resume production, and rapidly increase production capacity from 40%; Standard convergence enables export products that meet EU standards and US standards to be used in some areas of China. Fourth, strengthen international cooperation and promote international procurement to address domestic needs.

Is the new virus more severe than SARS?

Ma Xiaowei said that the new coronavirus is different from the SARS virus and the MERS virus. The spread of the virus appears to have increased, and the toxicity and pathogenicity of the virus need to be analyzed based on more clinical data.

久 How long will it take to process the epidemic?

Ma Xiaowei said that the source of the infection has not been found, and the mechanism of transmission and the mutation of the virus are unclear. The incubation period is about 10 days, with the shortest day onset and the longest 14 days. At present, the rate of development of the epidemic is accelerating. I am afraid that it will continue for some time, and the number of cases may increase.
On January 26, affected by a new coronavirus-infected pneumonia epidemic, passengers at Beijing Daxing International Airport wore masks to travel. China News Agency Reporter Jia Tianyong
On January 26, affected by a new coronavirus-infected pneumonia epidemic, passengers at Beijing Daxing International Airport wore masks to travel. Photo by China News Agency reporter Jia Tianyong

如何 How to do the critical period of epidemic prevention and control?

Ma Xiaowei said that one is to keep a close eye on Wuhan, the other is to keep an eye on the country, and the third is to strengthen the case treatment.

如何 How to prevent weak links in rural areas?

斌 Li Bin, deputy director of the National Health Committee, said that the first is to improve the health awareness, disease prevention awareness and disease prevention ability of farmers. The second is to carry out tracking and medical observation on returnees and mobile workers, especially those in Wuhan. The third is to do a good job in the diagnosis, treatment, tracking and screening of patients and suspected cases. Medical institutions at or above the county level should strengthen pre-checking and triage, set up fever clinics, make it easier for patients to seek medical treatment, and provide patients with protective supplies.

Does prion mutation appear?

高 Gao Fu, member of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said that no evidence of virus mutation has been found, and the difference between the viruses was less than 1%.

是否 Is the traffic restriction measures extended to the whole country?

小 Liu Xiaoming, deputy minister of the Ministry of Transport, said that some localities and cities have restrictions on modes of transportation and transportation, and it is necessary to take measures according to local conditions. At the same time, priority should be given to ensuring reasonable travel, transportation of living materials and key materials for ordinary people.

如何 How is international cooperation progressing?

Ma Xiaowei said that one is to share the epidemic situation and technical information with the World Health Organization in a timely manner, and the other is to maintain close contact with the health administrations and embassies in Japan, Thailand, South Korea, the United States and other countries to respond to foreign concerns in a timely manner. At the same time, experts from Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan are invited to conduct on-site inspections in Wuhan. At the request of Hong Kong and Macau, diagnostic kits are provided free of charge. (Finish)
[Edit: Guo Zehua]

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:48 pm

Hat Tip to 'Shiloh', FluTrackers:

Translated:
Beijing News

Beijing, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Nanjing, these cities officially declared "not closed"
http://www.sohu.com/a/369025928_114988

2020-01-27 00:02

Beijing News (Reporter Ying Yue) Recently, news about the closure of cities around the country has been spreading on the Internet. On the 26th, relevant departments in Beijing, Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Nanjing all said they would not "close the city." The Beijing News will continue to gather rumors about the epidemic of the new coronavirus pneumonia.

1. Will Beijing close the city?

Truth: External traffic is basically normal, there will be no closure, and no closure

At noon on the 25th, several news on WeChat, Weibo and other social media platforms successively spread the message "Beijing Expressway has entered the road in Beijing in order to prevent and control the new coronavirus pneumonia epidemic". Subsequently, the news of Beijing's "closure" also spread on the Internet.

On the 26th, at a press conference on the prevention and control of pneumonia in a new type of coronavirus infection in Beijing, Rong Jun, a spokesman for the Beijing Municipal Transportation Commission, said: "Foreign traffic is basically normal. There is no closure or closure of the city."

At present, in Beijing's civil aviation, flights are operating normally, and flights to and from Hubei are suspended. Long-distance passenger lines will be shut down from the morning of the new year's eve to the afternoon of the third day of the week, and will be shut down in Hubei and other epidemic-prone areas, and other areas will gradually resume operations as the case may be. At present, Beijing expressways and ordinary highways are normally open, and buses and subways are operating normally, and temperature measurement and ventilation will be strengthened.

2. Shenzhen closed the city on January 27?

Truth: The message that Shenzhen is about to "close the city" is a rumor

On January 26, the news that "Shenzhen will be closed tomorrow, Longda, Nanguang and 107 will be closed" was circulated online.

On the same day, the office of the Leading Group for Pneumonia Epidemic Prevention and Control of New Coronavirus Infections in Shenzhen responded that the information that Shenzhen was about to "close the city" was a rumor.

The person in charge of the Office of the Shenzhen Municipal Leading Group for Prevention and Control indicated that Shenzhen is doing its best to ensure the prevention and control of materials and strength for the epidemic, and is doing its best to ensure the supply of necessities for the people. It is hoped that the people will consciously resist rumors and jointly maintain a good social order. Win the battle for epidemic prevention and control.

3. Guangzhou wants to close the city?

Truth: Guangzhou market has ample supply, and internal and external traffic is normal

On the 26th, according to the information from the Guangzhou Municipal Leading Group on Prevention and Control of Pneumonia of New Coronavirus Infection, in order to prevent the spread of the epidemic, especially to reduce imported cases, temperature monitoring measures were taken at airports, stations, docks and other places, but there was no " Closure of the city. "

At present, the market is plentiful, and internal and external traffic is normal. Airports, railways, highway passenger stations, expressways in and out of Guangzhou, and national and provincial highways all remain in normal operation. The transportation department will focus on ensuring the smooth transportation of medical supplies, living supplies and epidemic prevention work. The general public is requested not to believe or spread rumors, to avoid panic, to minimize the flow and to minimize the chance of infection.

4. From January 27, the traffic in Nanjing is suspended?

Truth: Internet rumors are not true

Recently, an article entitled "Nanjing City Traffic Suspended from January 27" was signed on the Internet, signed by Nanjing Daily reporter Zhao Yingguang. On January 26, a notice about the adjustment of bus line operation arrangements during the pneumonia epidemic of new coronavirus infection was circulating in the circle of friends. The announcement shows that from January 27, dozens of bus lines in the city will be suspended.

Regarding the above two untrue news, Nanjing Daily and Nanjing Bus conducted a rumor on the 26th. "Nanjing Daily" stated on its official Weibo that the unit found no such person and had never interviewed this content. The "Nanjing Bus" certified by Weibo as the official Weibo of Nanjing Public Transport (Group) Co., Ltd. also stated that the pictures circulating on the network were not the operating conditions of Nanjing Bus.

5. The Thai Immigration Office has issued a document that grants renewal to Chinese tourists for up to 2 months?

Truth: Those stranded at the airport may be exempt from fines due to airport closures and other reasons

Recently, the Internet circulated "Thailand Immigration Bureau issued a policy for Chinese tourists (mainly Hubei tourists). If you do not want to return, you can temporarily leave the country and can renew your visa for up to two months. Files ".

It is understood that at present, the Thai Tourism Authority and the major travel agencies in Hangzhou have not received a formal notification.

As for the pictures circulated on the Internet, as far as the Thai translation of the documents is concerned, the version circulated on the Internet is not the original text. According to the Metropolis Express reporter's verification, the original meaning was: "The Thai Immigration Service stated that if Wuhan and related areas are closed and the airport is closed, the time spent at the airport will be extended. There will be no penalty for this situation. There is no need to return to the country. For example, if other cities in China do not close the airport, passengers cannot stay casually; if it is longer than 15 days and does not belong to those stranded cities, it will be blacklisted.

Beijing News reporter Ying Yue

Edit Ding Tian returns to Sohu, see more

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:32 pm

The U.S. CDC will provide an update on coronavirus at 3 p.m. ET

by Drinkthekoolaid Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:37 pm

ReadyMom wrote:
The U.S. CDC will provide an update on coronavirus at 3 p.m. ET

The one daily mail story said there were 50+ suspected cases in the US and Canada.

by Drinkthekoolaid Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:49 pm

In all honesty I've been closely following this story with obvious interest. It's a real life learning experience and could be valuable in the future.

Now just this morning I'm finally actually getting honestly nervous. I'm running scenarios in my head that are starting to get frightening.

I think I read that 6 out of the initial 14 to contract the virus are dead.

The incubation period has been observed to vary between 1-14 days, and while SYMPTOM FREE the host can infect others, this greatly increasing the possibility the virus has spread much more than people realize yet.

Allegedly 300,000+ people escaped Wuhan before the quarantine.

50+ million are in complete quarantine and the list is growing daily. That's equivalent to quarantining the entire population of California and Arizona in their location. You don't do that unless it's bad.

In the next week all those people who escaped Wuhan it will become apparent how many people they infected. I expect the figures to increase exponentially.

The cities are barricaded in. Unprecedented.

China has deployed armed military in full CBRNE gear

The pictures and first hand accounts from with Chinas quarantine zone are shocking. Reports and rumors of 90,000+ dead.

There are rumors of 50+ suspected cases right now in North America. Not good.

I'm starting to pucker up a little.

I just went out and bought more sanitizer, masks and 20 gallons of individual water bottles.

by oldasrocks Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:26 pm

The information I post is read on twitter that have been forwarded to my wife from Hong Kong and other places. We know the people that are sending stuff out except primary senders from china.

I think this is a lot BIGGER that they are telling us. Why close off so many cities etc for a couple thousand sick people. Drop in the bucket. More that 500 have probably died of old age in that massive population.
If you see an ad like the following then get worried.

Cheap land for sale, totally vacant. Infrastructure intact, Just west of Taiwan a few short miles. Slightly contaminated.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:48 pm

I'm starting a separate thread for USA cases. Will move any older posts from here to that new thread.

by Drinkthekoolaid Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:08 pm

There is always the unpredictable human element in a crisis

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7931447/Hong-Kong-protesters-fuel-coronavirus-chaos-lobbing-petrol-bombs-housing-complex.html

by TRex2 Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:28 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
ReadyMom wrote:
The U.S. CDC will provide an update on coronavirus at 3 p.m. ET
The one daily mail story said there were 50+ suspected cases in the US and Canada.

Statistically, this sounds about right.

Statistically, based on information provided, it is likely there are over 30,000 known and 120,000 undiscovered cases in China.
Statistically it is likely that hundreds are dead. (That 50+% of the earliest cases died isn't really relevant, since they didn't know what they were dealing with.)

Statistically, we could see millions of cases in China (there quarantines are about as effective as a screen door in a driving rainstorm), in just a few more weeks, and tens of thousands dead.

In the US, we could see thousands of cases by the end of March.

But this is all predicated on us not finding any weaknesses in the virus. Scientists may yet find a weakness they can exploit.

In any case, we are the prepared, and most of us have faith in Jesus.
So, I am concerned, but not panicking.
(I have many extended family that I am worried about.)

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:18 pm

This was posted ona Facebook Prep Group that I belong to. I've been given permission to post here. It's UNCONFIRMED, but interesting, if accurate:

Hey guys so I have spoke with a friend of mine that works with the CDC that is currently in China. He stated that they cannot make a vaccine for this outbreak it is just like the common cold that they have never been able to make it a vaccine for he said it can take up to two years to make a vaccine. He told me to follow my budget plan and going to the middle of nowhere and wait until there's a vaccine he said we have three months before we need to put our plans in place. My recommendation to everyone is buy all the supplies you need now and get ready. I guess everyone's worst nightmare is going to come true from what he was saying he told me to expect the worst and pray for the best. This doctor has worked for the United States Department of Defense Army Research Center and CDC since 1990 he is a world-renowned infectious disease doctor and I've been proud to call him my friend. He would never ever tell me to get ready to bug out if it wasn't needed I just thought I'd pass it on I'll keep everybody up to date with what information I get. Also he told me not to believe the news.

by Dave58 Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:17 pm

ReadyMom wrote:This was posted ona Facebook Prep Group that I belong to. I've been given permission to post here. It's UNCONFIRMED, but interesting, if accurate:

Hey guys so I have spoke with a friend of mine that works with the CDC that is currently in China. He stated that they cannot make a vaccine for this outbreak it is just like the common cold that they have never been able to make it a vaccine for he said it can take up to two years to make a vaccine. He told me to follow my budget plan and going to the middle of nowhere and wait until there's a vaccine he said we have three months before we need to put our plans in place. My recommendation to everyone is buy all the supplies you need now and get ready. I guess everyone's worst nightmare is going to come true from what he was saying he told me to expect the worst and pray for the best. This doctor has worked for the United States Department of Defense Army Research Center and CDC since 1990 he is a world-renowned infectious disease doctor and I've been proud to call him my friend. He would never ever tell me to get ready to bug out if it wasn't needed I just thought I'd pass it on I'll keep everybody up to date with what information I get. Also he told me not to believe the news.

Pls let me know if you can confirm any of this

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:22 pm

Dave58 wrote:
ReadyMom wrote:This was posted ona Facebook Prep Group that I belong to. I've been given permission to post here. It's UNCONFIRMED, but interesting, if accurate:

Hey guys so I have spoke with a friend of mine that works with the CDC . . . . Also he told me not to believe the news.

Pls let me know if you can confirm any of this

I'm sorry .. I can not. It's 2nd hand. That's why I made sure to bold my intro. So we'll have to tuck it away in the back of our mind, as we read more Thinking

by Drinkthekoolaid Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:21 pm

ReadyMom wrote:
Dave58 wrote:
ReadyMom wrote:This was posted ona Facebook Prep Group that I belong to. I've been given permission to post here. It's UNCONFIRMED, but interesting, if accurate:

Hey guys so I have spoke with a friend of mine that works with the CDC . . . . Also he told me not to believe the news.

Pls let me know if you can confirm any of this
I'm sorry .. I can not. It's 2nd hand. That's why I made sure to bold my intro. So we'll have to tuck it away in the back of our mind, as we read more

That's extremely concerning...

Please share if you get any more info

by oldasrocks Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:13 pm

It is easier to explain in Africa. There it was someone making love to a monkey. In china its because someone ate a bat.

by **ReadyMom** Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:13 am

Coronavirus may have originated in lab linked to China's biowarfare program
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/

The deadly animal-borne coronavirus spreading globally may have originated in a laboratory in the city of Wuhan linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, said an Israeli biological warfare analyst.

Radio Free Asia last week rebroadcast a Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, known the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.

Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese biological warfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert bio-weapons program. ---CONTINUED ---

by Drinkthekoolaid Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:02 am

Wtf are you kidding??

Not good

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mayor-of-wuhan-epicenter-of-coronavirus-outbreak-says-5-million-people-left-the-city-before-travel-restrictions-were-imposed-2020-01-26?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

by Dave58 Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:10 am

ReadyMom wrote:Coronavirus may have originated in lab linked to China's biowarfare program
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/

The deadly animal-borne coronavirus spreading globally may have originated in a laboratory in the city of Wuhan linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, said an Israeli biological warfare analyst.

Radio Free Asia last week rebroadcast a Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, known the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.

Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese biological warfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert bio-weapons program. ---CONTINUED ---

I read about this a few months ago on you -tube the Chinese women running the sch 4 lab in Canada was caught sending samples of deadly diseases to a lab in China...

by **ReadyMom** Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:01 am

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:Wtf are you kidding??

Not good

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mayor-of-wuhan-epicenter-of-coronavirus-outbreak-says-5-million-people-left-the-city-before-travel-restrictions-were-imposed-2020-01-26?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

Yea. I saw that too! I thought I posted it. Maybe not. I'm getting confused. So much to read & share. Can't keep up. BUT ... if they stayed in China, then it would explain why China is such a mess everywhere, right?

by **ReadyMom** Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:54 am

I've pulled all the USA virus news out and put it here: Corona Virus 2019-USA-News & Discussion -- (NOT CASES). Please start to post any USA news there. Smile

by **ReadyMom** Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:17 am

This report is discussing the 2 'possible causes' of the virus that are making the rounds in speculation: (Maybe we need a 'speculation' thread too: Rolling Eyes

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Scientists Pinpoint 2 Causes Behind China’s Deadly Coronavirus – They’re Both Shocking
https://www.ccn.com/scientists-pinpoint-2-causes-behind-chinas-deadly-coronavirus-theyre-both-shocking/

SNIPS:

...Scientists identified two possible root causes of Coronavirus: the consumption of wildlife such as bats in Wuhan and potential leak of virus.

...Scientists have identified two possible root causes of Coronavirus: the consumption of wildlife such as bats in Wuhan and the potential leak of the virus at a well-protected center.

...Both Mers and SARS, two deadly respiratory diseases caused by Coronavirus, were also suspected to have been caused by bats.

by Dave58 Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:34 am

ReadyMom wrote:
Drinkthekoolaid wrote:Wtf are you kidding??

Not good

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mayor-of-wuhan-epicenter-of-coronavirus-outbreak-says-5-million-people-left-the-city-before-travel-restrictions-were-imposed-2020-01-26?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

Yea. I saw that too! I thought I posted it. Maybe not. I'm getting confused. So much to read & share. Can't keep up. BUT ... if they stayed in China, then it would explain why China is such a mess everywhere, right?

Look at it this way in 14 days we will know where they went...

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