Re: Discussion & News-USA -- (NOT CASES)-February 2020

by TRex2 Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:33 pm

After I thought about it, I realize that maybe I should have been a little less adamant on the above two posts. While my opinion is not changed, I am not a full time analyst, and so, it is possible that there is a cover up in progress. But I really don't think so. I don't see what they might think that they could gain from hiding the truth. (Unlike China, who may have created this disaster, and who would want to "save face.")

I suspect that, soon enough, there will be a breakout in one or more places, and "the race will be on." What I will look for, are cases where they don't know how the person got infected, or they can't determine how many were infected by the person before they diagnosed them.

When I see that happen, I will try to establish a Zero Day and try to figure out how many days it will take to double each time, so that we can get a handle on how many cases there really are, as opposed to the official number of how many tests have come back positive.

The spread will be extremely uneven, however, so some parts of the country will just begin to see an epidemic when other parts of the country will have had enough cases that the spread will slow, due to running out of infectable hosts. (going to make the math and tracking complicated)

by **ReadyMom** Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:11 pm

I looked at that CDC text post a number of times. This is what jumped out at me right away:

What I noticed on the screen shot is that there were NO time stamps in the discussion thread. Also no names . Not even blacked out. (except at the top). Usually every time there is a response a time stamp comes with it. (at least on my phone ... is that with every phone?)

I did send it to someone else who took a look and they also think that it looks fake. I guess only time will tell. We'll really have to be very careful about fakes & hoaxes.

by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:54 pm

ReadyMom wrote:I looked at that CDC text post a number of times. This is what jumped out at me right away:

What I noticed on the screen shot is that there were NO time stamps in the discussion thread. Also no names . Not even blacked out. (except at the top). Usually every time there is a response a time stamp comes with it. (at least on my phone ... is that with every phone?)

I did send it to someone else who took a look and they also think that it looks fake. I guess only time will tell. We'll really have to be very careful about fakes & hoaxes.

I also think it's more likely a hoax than not.

I was including it as a small piece of information in the greater story that is starting to show coronavirus may becoming established here

by TRex2 Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:44 am

ReadyMom wrote:...
I did send it to someone else who took a look and they also think that it looks fake. I guess only time will tell. We'll really have to be very careful about fakes & hoaxes.

I second that. We get enough flack from those with their head in the sand, even when everything we post is factual. If we buy off on even the smallest of hoaxes, it gives them great pleasure to use that as ammunition against us. That is why my initial reaction was so strong, against it.

It is also why I have a reputation for being overbearing, tactless, and opinionated (because they are facts, not opinions Angry Orange Face

, and many people don't know the difference).

There are actually a couple of people I would love to invite here, since they know a lot about prepping, but won't, since they also buy into some conspiracy theories that I have already debunked. I just don't think we can afford to have that kind of poison here (now, see, that was an opinion Laughing

).

by TRex2 Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:50 am

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:...
I also think it's more likely a hoax than not.
I was including it as a small piece of information in the greater story that is starting to show coronavirus may becoming established here

Yeah, its cool that you marked it as a probable hoax, when you posted it. Over on the amateur hour forums (C-D) they pass things around like that, almost every week, and don't like it when it gets vetted. I have had several posts deleted because I got a little too "in their face" about posting disinformation, whether they know that is what they were posting or not.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:43 am

TRex2 wrote:
Drinkthekoolaid wrote:...
I also think it's more likely a hoax than not.
I was including it as a small piece of information in the greater story that is starting to show coronavirus may becoming established here
Yeah, its cool that you marked it as a probable hoax, when you posted it. Over on the amateur hour forums (C-D) they pass things around like that, almost every week, and don't like it when it gets vetted. I have had several posts deleted because I got a little too "in their face" about posting disinformation, whether they know that is what they were posting or not.

Well ... don't know if any of you noticed, but late last night I made a post that I took down about 15-20 min later. It was a hoax and it could have created chaos. It was about 6 cases that were H2H from one person who had been in China. Looked SO legit. I also shared it in a chat with some of my lady-prepper friends (who are actually members here). I was using my phone at the time, and it's hard for me to navigate between web & forums on my phone. So they did a deeper dive and found that it was a FAKE! I quickly removed my post. But color me humbled ... we have to be SO careful, if we find something on our own and not already shared via fellow prep forums or blogs.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:48 am

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
If this guy is being accurate (I have no reason to doubt him he seems genuinely stressed) then it's about to hit the fan. I tried to verify this story as best I could, some of what he said I was able to vet. There actually is a guy caught at the border from Canada and put into our local county jail that is now suspected of having coronavirus, there are thousands of Chinese students at UB.

https://youtu.be/yuO8Ft-IFrQ

Well .. just to put it out there ... but here is another item on that Buffalo NY guy. Now he's being interviewed on a show:

by Drinkthekoolaid Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:13 pm

ReadyMom wrote:
TRex2 wrote:
Drinkthekoolaid wrote:...
I also think it's more likely a hoax than not.
I was including it as a small piece of information in the greater story that is starting to show coronavirus may becoming established here
Yeah, its cool that you marked it as a probable hoax, when you posted it. Over on the amateur hour forums (C-D) they pass things around like that, almost every week, and don't like it when it gets vetted. I have had several posts deleted because I got a little too "in their face" about posting disinformation, whether they know that is what they were posting or not.

Well ... don't know if any of you noticed, but late last night I made a post that I took down about 15-20 min later. It was a hoax and it could have created chaos. It was about 6 cases that were H2H from one person who had been in China. Looked SO legit. I also shared it in a chat with some of my lady-prepper friends (who are actually members here). I was using my phone at the time, and it's hard for me to navigate between web & forums on my phone. So they did a deeper dive and found that it was a FAKE! I quickly removed my post. But color me humbled ... we have to be SO careful, if we find something on our own and not already shared via fellow prep forums or blogs.

I do 99% of my surfing and posting from my phone and admittedly it's harder to check and verify things. I know I fall into that trap as well.

by SoZo Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:25 pm

I wouldn't be too terribly worried about it ladies... (easy for me to say huh? Cool

) That's part of why there is a community Hive Mind we all utilize here.

by **ReadyMom** Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:54 am

Cruise Ship Evacuees:

14 Americans evacuated from cruise ship in Japan test positive for novel coronavirus
https://abcnews.go.com/International/14-americans-evacuated-cruise-ship-japan-test-positive/story?id=69026322&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

(SNIP) ... After disembarking from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, 14 of the passengers were found to be infected with the novel coronavirus, known officially as COVID-19, prior to boarding the charter planes at Tokyo International Airport on Monday. The passengers, who had been tested a couple days earlier, "were moved in the most expeditious and safe manner to a specialized containment area on the evacuation aircraft to isolate them in accordance with standard protocols," according to a joint statement from the U.S. Department of State and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

State Department made the decision to allow the 14 individuals, who were in isolation, separated from other passengers, and continued to be asymptomatic, to remain on the aircraft to complete the evacuation process," ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:24 am

Hat Tip to 'Commonground', FluTrackers:

Quarantined Americans from cruise arrive in US
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-quarantine-cruise-passengers-arrive-us/509-3db12df1-e8ad-403b-8e27-3884e1c2d992

The passengers will have to remain in quarantine for another 14 days to make sure they do not have the virus. ---CONTINUED---

by TRex2 Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:50 am

I just wonder, if they kept them on the ship, how long it would take to infect all of them. (I think they have leaky isolation procedures that are allowing more and more passengers to become infected.)

by SoZo Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:23 pm

TRex2 wrote:I just wonder, if they kept them on the ship, how long it would take to infect all of them. (I think they have leaky isolation procedures that are allowing more and more passengers to become infected.)

It's a conundrum to be sure, but I was thinking either ventilation, defective plumbing with interconnected pipes running cabin to cabin to cabin... and/or infected staff passing it via contamination of objects that are passed to passengers in their cabins. OR.. some combination of any or all of the above.

by **ReadyMom** Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:26 pm

SoZo wrote:
TRex2 wrote:I just wonder, if they kept them on the ship, how long it would take to infect all of them. (I think they have leaky isolation procedures that are allowing more and more passengers to become infected.)

It's a conundrum to be sure, but I was thinking either ventilation, defective plumbing with interconnected pipes running cabin to cabin to cabin... and/or infected staff passing it via contamination of objects that are passed to passengers in their cabins. OR.. some combination of any or all of the above.

And don't forget that there are a TON of 'inner cabins' that don't have access to outside balcony's. That would be vented air for their cabin, right? (Besides circulating air when doors open, etc.)

by TRex2 Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:37 pm

I suspect the ventilation, because this is an airborne virus that they keep treating as non-airborne (I can't remember the correct term, right now). That is one reason I keep using the screen door analogy. It is more convenient to treat it as a droplet borne contagion, and the look confused when it spreads, so that is what typical people do.

But it appears the flight and bus rides home were mismanaged too. Probably told the doctors "your not in charge here, transportation is."

Damn, I have been around government types too many years of my life. I know too much of how they think Sad

by TRex2 Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:20 pm

Looks like we still do NOT have a Breakout in the U.S. I am still not sure how long the authorities can keep it that way. Frankly, I am a little bit impressed they have kept it at bay this long. I would be more impressed if I didn't know most of it was just luck.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/12/cdc-director-more-person-to-person-coronavirus-infections-in-u-s-likely-but-containment-still-possible/

If the United States begins to see instances in several parts of the country in which a single case ignites four “generations” of human-to-human infection, Redfield said — meaning a person who contracted the virus infects a person, who infects another person, who then infects another person — then the CDC is likely to conclude containment of the virus has failed.

He added that “at some point in time it is highly probable that we’ll have to transition to mitigation” as a public health strategy, using “social distancing measures” — for example, closure of certain public facilities — and other techniques to try to limit the number of people who become infected.

“We’re not going to be able to seal this virus from coming into this country,” Redfield said. But, he added, “we do gain time by prolonging the containment phase as long as we can, provided that we still believe that’s a useful public health effort.

by **ReadyMom** Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:58 pm

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

California tells 7K people to stay home because of new virus
https://apnews.com/0974d0237f473bdf3422069fe6ee9d22

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — California health officials said Friday that 7,600 people who returned to the state after visiting China during the outbreak of the new virus have been asked to quarantine themselves at home this month as health officials try to stop the spread of the virus.

The people returned to the U.S. on or after Feb. 2 and are being asked to monitor their health, stay home and limit interactions with others, the California Department of Public Health said in a statement.

The department said that number excludes those who visited China’s Hubei province, where the disease known as COVID-19 originated. Americans who spent time there and in Hubei’s provincial capital of Wuhan have been flown home on U.S.-chartered flights and quarantined on military bases. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:06 pm

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

‘Tremendous public health threat’: CDC confirms 34 coronavirus cases in US, prepares for ‘very possible, even likely’ pandemic
https://www.rt.com/usa/481436-coronavirus-us-cdc-warning/

The CDC has warned that transmission of the deadly COVID-19 virus in the US is “very possible, even likely” and said its current goal is not to prevent but to slow down its spread and “buy more time” for US communities to prepare.

Added to the 13 already confirmed, the 21 new cases in the US were announced by the CDC on Friday in a media briefing, all of whom returned to the country aboard emergency repatriation flights arranged by the State Department for citizens stranded abroad. Health officials said they expect additional cases to arise from those still in quarantine.

“This new virus represents a tremendous public health threat,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters, adding that it is “very possible” and even “likely” the illness would continue to spread in the US. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:09 pm

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

U.S. prepares for coronavirus pandemic, school and business closures: health officials
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa/u-s-prepares-for-coronavirus-pandemic-school-and-business-closures-health-officials-idUSKBN20F2GS

(Reuters) - U.S. health officials on Friday said they are preparing for the possibility of the spread of the new coronavirus through U.S. communities that would force closures of schools and businesses.

The United States has yet to see community spread of the virus that emerged in central China in late December. But health authorities are preparing medical personnel for the risk, Nancy Messonnier, an official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told reporters on a conference call. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:26 pm

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

With information from China scarce, U.S. spies enlisted to track coronavirus
https://news.yahoo.com/with-information-from-china-scarce-us-spies-enlisted-to-track-coronavirus-173612656.html

WASHINGTON — As Chinese officials face allegations of locking down information about the spread of the coronavirus, U.S. intelligence agencies have been helping in governmentwide efforts to gather information about the disease’s global spread.

Already, some of the best information about the coronavirus and the Chinese government’s response to it is coming from military channels, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

“China’s behavior causes the intelligence community to get involved,” said one of those sources, a former intelligence official. “Because no data means spying.” ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:27 pm

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

Only three U.S. states can test for coronavirus: public lab group
https://ca.reuters.com/article/idCAKBN20F2GS?rpc=401&fbclid=IwAR2htJERxoFBiIKaoBT-ZjjYTVAWkhq3XNPt2XszLa7kQ7xfxTPqnrDf8kI

(Reuters) - California, Nebraska and Illinois are the only U.S. states that can currently test for coronavirus, the Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL) told Reuters on Friday.
---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:41 am

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

U.S. takes steps to prepare for pandemic as global coronavirus cases rise
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/u-s-takes-steps-prepare-pandemic-global-coronavirus-cases-rise-n1140371

As global concerns over the coronavirus outbreak grow, the U.S. is taking steps to prepare for the possibility of a pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

(SNIP) ... "We are reviewing all of our pandemic preparedness materials and adapting them to COVID-19," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said Friday during a media briefing, using the name of the disease caused by the coronavirus. "The materials will serve as a blueprint for the community interventions that we will use here in the U.S." ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:50 pm

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

FBI orders $40K worth of face masks, hand sanitizer in case of coronavirus outbreak
https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/fbi-orders-40k-worth-of-face-masks-hand-sanitizer-in-case-of-coronavirus-outbreak/

The FBI isn’t taking any chances if the coronavirus stays on its march around the globe.

The law enforcement bureau has ordered $40,000 in face masks and hand sanitizer just in case the illness should become a pandemic in the United States, CNBC reported.

“The FBI has actively been monitoring the coronavirus outbreak in Asia and is taking preemptive measures by procuring these items … now,” reads an acquisition document obtained by the network. ---CONTINUED---

by TRex2 Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:15 pm

ReadyMom wrote: Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

FBI orders $40K worth of face masks, hand sanitizer in case of coronavirus outbreak
https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/fbi-orders-40k-worth-of-face-masks-hand-sanitizer-in-case-of-coronavirus-outbreak/

The FBI isn’t taking any chances if the coronavirus stays on its march around the globe.

The law enforcement bureau has ordered $40,000 in face masks and hand sanitizer just in case the illness should become a pandemic in the United States, CNBC reported.

“The FBI has actively been monitoring the coronavirus outbreak in Asia and is taking preemptive measures by procuring these items … now,” reads an acquisition document obtained by the network. ---CONTINUED---

Wow. That is like, One Dollar for each of the people that work for the FBI. I suspect this is just one of several orders, and the actual amount they ordered is many times that amount.

I recall many years ago, when 4th ID from Ft Hood was returning from the Mid East. Every time a plane load or two would fly in, they would give the evening newsgirl a note to read that "4th ID has returned from Iraq." About the fifth time this happened over a three week period, she hesitated and looked at her coworkers like "are you guys pranking me?" It was just that no one in the newsroom understood there were 12000 people in 4th ID.

Likewise, I suspect no one at the NY Post understands there are more than 50,000 people in the FBI.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:33 pm

White House to ask Congress for emergency coronavirus funding
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/22/emergency-coronavirus-funding-116761

However, the amount could be significantly lower than some public health officials have argued is necessary.

The White House will soon ask Congress for emergency funds to fight the coronavirus outbreak, after weeks of hesitation by the administration to press for additional funding, said four individuals with knowledge of the pending request.

However, the amount could be significantly lower than some public health officials have argued is necessary — potentially as little as $1 billion, said two individuals, which could be rapidly exhausted by development of potential vaccines, widespread lab tests and numerous other investments. ---CONTINUED---

by dmwalsh568 Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:11 pm

Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread in U.S., CDC says

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/americans-should-prepare-coronavirus-spread-u-s-cdc-says-n1142556

Erika Edwards - NBC News wrote:Top U.S. public health officials said Tuesday that Americans should prepare for the spread of the coronavirus in communities across the country.

“It’s not so much a question of if this will happen any more, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the head of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a media briefing Tuesday.

Red highlighting is mine.

She added that Americans need to prepare for disruptions to their daily lives, including school closings, working from home and delayed elective medical procedures, as efforts to contain and control the possible spread in the U.S. may accelerate in the coming weeks.

by TRex2 Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:26 pm

dmwalsh568 wrote:Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread in U.S., CDC says

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/americans-should-prepare-coronavirus-spread-u-s-cdc-says-n1142556

She added that Americans need to prepare for disruptions to their daily lives, including school closings, working from home and delayed elective medical procedures, as efforts to contain and control the possible spread in the U.S. may accelerate in the coming weeks.

Yep.
I think those of us on this forum are a bit ahead of the CDC.

by Dave58 Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:27 pm

TRex2 wrote:
dmwalsh568 wrote:Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread in U.S., CDC says

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/americans-should-prepare-coronavirus-spread-u-s-cdc-says-n1142556

She added that Americans need to prepare for disruptions to their daily lives, including school closings, working from home and delayed elective medical procedures, as efforts to contain and control the possible spread in the U.S. may accelerate in the coming weeks.
Yep.
I think those of us on this forum are a bit ahead of the CDC.

Now if I could only get my family on board Sigh

by **ReadyMom** Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:34 pm

Following. Sorry ... been REAL busy. Will be real interesting to see how public responds to this. I do believe my husband believes me now ...

by rick1 Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:06 pm

dmwalsh568 wrote:Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread in U.S., CDC says

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/americans-should-prepare-coronavirus-spread-u-s-cdc-says-n1142556

Erika Edwards - NBC News wrote:Top U.S. public health officials said Tuesday that Americans should prepare for the spread of the coronavirus in communities across the country.

“It’s not so much a question of if this will happen any more, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the head of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a media briefing Tuesday.

Red highlighting is mine.

She added that Americans need to prepare for disruptions to their daily lives, including school closings, working from home and delayed elective medical procedures, as efforts to contain and control the possible spread in the U.S. may accelerate in the coming weeks.

Yep, heard that on FOX, CDC doctor said not if it spreads in the U.S., but when it spreads. He also went on to say not many people can be boxed up for 2 weeks let alone that they probably don't have 2 weeks of food or prescriptions on hand.

by TRex2 Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:40 pm

ReadyMom wrote:Following. Sorry ... been REAL busy. Will be real interesting to see how public responds to this. I do believe my husband believes me now ...

Clock is ticking since 5AM, Eastern Standard Time, Tuesday: how many hours from warning to panic?

Well, thus far, no panic, no one stocking up to a point it would be obvious. But then, we currently have no cases "in the wild," and no quarantine zones. People are still mostly in a wait and see mode.

I watch the price of silver. When the preppers, as a demographic, get nervous, the price of silver tends to rise. (That may not happen, this time, since no one, other than me, is expecting this to lead to a melt down.) Silver rose a couple dollars to about $19, but now it is floating around the $18 mark.

Trigger Alert for those with TDS!
Pro-Trump Political Information ahead.

I am beginning to think this pandemic might snowball into a total meltdown, since Trump is running on "are you better off than you were 4 years ago." The Demoncrats are already weaponizing this pandemic by claiming Trump "gutted" the CDC, and other Health related agencies, and kicked everyone off of their health insurance. If we are in a pandemic and a pandemic induced recession, it could very easily lead to a secondary disaster of a Demoncrat getting elected. If that happens, America's days are numbered.

by Dave58 Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:04 pm

TRex2 wrote:
ReadyMom wrote:Following. Sorry ... been REAL busy. Will be real interesting to see how public responds to this. I do believe my husband believes me now ...
Clock is ticking since 5AM, Eastern Standard Time, Tuesday: how many hours from warning to panic?

Well, thus far, no panic, no one stocking up to a point it would be obvious. But then, we currently have no cases "in the wild," and no quarantine zones. People are still mostly in a wait and see mode.

I watch the price of silver. When the preppers, as a demographic, get nervous, the price of silver tends to rise. (That may not happen, this time, since no one, other than me, is expecting this to lead to a melt down.) Silver rose a couple dollars to about $19, but now it is floating around the $18 mark.

Trigger Alert for those with TDS!
Pro-Trump Political Information ahead.

I am beginning to think this pandemic might snowball into a total meltdown, since Trump is running on "are you better off than you were 4 years ago." The Demoncrats are already weaponizing this pandemic by claiming Trump "gutted" the CDC, and other Health related agencies, and kicked everyone off of their health insurance. If we are in a pandemic and a pandemic induced recession, it could very easily lead to a secondary disaster of a Demoncrat getting elected. If that happens, America's days are numbered.

I don't know about a total meltdown , but its starting to look that way.. People have been told right from the start not to worry they don't need a mask they don't need to buy anything special
everything will be just fine.. I listen to people talk about the virus and what scared me the most was some folks think this needs to happen so it will re-set the system...

Trump is supposed to have a news conference tonight around 6 I think and he is supposed to scold the WHO and CDC for trying to instill panic in people because everybody knows that things are going just fine there is nothing to worry about here...

I am going to wait and see what the talking heads at the news conference say after that I might need to make a late night run to the store PopCorn

by rick1 Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:18 pm

I agree Dave Cheers2

by TRex2 Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:24 pm

Dave58 wrote:Trump is supposed to have a news conference tonight around 6 I think and he is supposed to scold the WHO and CDC for trying to instill panic in people because everybody knows that things are going just fine there is nothing to worry about here...

I am going to wait and see what the talking heads at the news conference say after that I might need to make a late night run to the store

Trump will be speaking in a few minutes. It is currently 5:24pm Central Standard here (timestamps on my postings are messed up due to my VPN security).

I will be waiting until Friday to go again (just went this morning).
Not going to go just for the entertainment.

by Dave58 Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:24 pm

TRex2 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:Trump is supposed to have a news conference tonight around 6 I think and he is supposed to scold the WHO and CDC for trying to instill panic in people because everybody knows that things are going just fine there is nothing to worry about here...

I am going to wait and see what the talking heads at the news conference say after that I might need to make a late night run to the store
Trump will be speaking in a few minutes. It is currently 5:24pm Central Standard here (timestamps on my postings are messed up due to my VPN security).

I will be waiting until Friday to go again (just went this morning).
Not going to go just for the entertainment.

I decided to stay home and watch the news thing it was interesting to say the least.... Putting Pence in charge caught me off guard. I didn't see that coming...

I just don't believe that we are that lucky to only have 15 people test positive for CoVid19...
Something just doesn't feel right

by TRex2 Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:41 pm

The president and his men did a good job of putting people at ease. Not all that good of a job of telling them what they should be doing. They touched on it, but didn't put any emphasis on it.

It is ok to feel a bit nervous. I do.
But it is entirely possible we currently
only have that many infected.

Currently.

The future will look different.

by **ReadyMom** Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:26 pm

TRex2 wrote:The president and his men did a good job of putting people at ease. Not all that good of a job of telling them what they should be doing. They touched on it, but didn't put any emphasis on it.

It is ok to feel a bit nervous. I do.
But it is entirely possible we currently
only have that many infected.

Currently.

The future will look different.

I TOTALLY agree with you. He did his job .. he put his face out in public, as President (he would have been highly criticized if he didn't since he was in India, when the CDC came out and made the statement). He came out and kept his citizens calm.

BUT ... as usual the message is 'prepare' ... but they DON'T tell people HOW. That's how my I got my start & how 'Ready Mom's Alliance' got started. Telling people HOW. Tell them HOW without getting them all riled up. I've spent the past two days answering phone calls & text messages from people I know who want to know what to do now. So ... I told them. Explaining it could be a quick couple of weeks, but realistically 6-8 weeks. We discussed the time line: first exposure --> transmission period --> next exposure -->transmission/all clear period --> waiting for stores to resupply, if they have empty shelves. Counted the 14-21 days for each period & added in the time for supply chain refills in stores and then the person I was talking to 'got it' and started their list and started their shopping .... TODAY! At least they'll be ahead of the crowd in days or weeks to come.

by Dave58 Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:33 pm

I think this should fit nicely here

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240674471.html

by **ReadyMom** Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:25 pm

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

Coronavirus crisis: Outbreak could be feared 'Disease X' as Americans warned to expect more cases
https://www.9news.com.au/world/coronavirus-crisis-us-warned-community-spread-unstoppable-pandemic-risk-closer/a99f7efe-44a4-41b0-84cf-89a9c3199ca1

A top US health expert has warned Americans the coronavirus is likely to spread through the country amid concerns the outbreak could be the dreaded 'Disease X'.
"Ultimately, we expect we will see community spread in this country," Dr Nancy Messonnier, director of the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention's National Centre for Immunisation and Respiratory Diseases, said.

Her sober forecast came as a World Health Organisation (WHO) adviser said the coronavirus' ability to spread rapidly makes it a contender for the feared 'Disease X'.---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:27 pm

US commander: Coronavirus could restrict troop travel in Germany
https://www.politico.eu/article/us-commander-says-troop-travel-in-germany-could-be-restricted-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

American military expects increase in the number of cases in Germany, Air Force general says.

By Connor O'Brien

2/25/20, 10:23 PM CET

Updated 2/25/20, 10:38 PM CET

The U.S. military is expecting an increase in the number of coronavirus cases in Germany and could restrict troops' travel there, the commander of U.S. forces in Europe told senators Tuesday.

Air Force Gen. Tod Wolters, who also serves as NATO supreme allied commander, was peppered by Senate Armed Services members from both parties on what precautions European Command has taken to protect U.S. troops and their families from the outbreak. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:29 pm

'I don't have an exact figure': Homeland Security chief lacks answers to basic coronavirus questions
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/i-dont-have-an-exact-figure-homeland-security-chief-lacks-answers-to-basic-coronavirus-questions

Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf struggled to answer questions about how the United States is preparing for widespread coronavirus outbreaks and instead said his department did not need to know basic information as it plans its response.

Wolf appeared before the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security Tuesday to talk about the White House's budget request for his 240,000-employee department, but he was questioned by both Democrats and Republicans on the Trump administration's coronavirus preparations. In several instances, Wolf refused to answer or contradicted information ... ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:20 pm

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

Top official says US needs 300M face masks for healthcare workers
https://www.medical-health.info/top-official-says-us-needs-300m-face-masks-for-healthcare-workers/

-Health and Human Services Sec. Alex Azar said the US needs at least 300 million face masks for healthcare workers as the country braces for the rapid spread of the coronavirus.

-The HHS secretary said the US already has 30 million, but would need 270 million more. ---CONTINUED---

by TRex2 Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:37 am

Dave58 wrote:I think this should fit nicely here
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article240674471.html

Yep. Amazing what a few hours can do.
And this is right outside of San Fransisco, which is basically a petri dish waiting for it.

ReadyMom wrote:'I don't have an exact figure': Homeland Security chief lacks answers to basic coronavirus questions
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/i-dont-have-an-exact-figure-homeland-security-chief-lacks-answers-to-basic-coronavirus-questions

Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf struggled to answer questions about how the United States is preparing for widespread coronavirus outbreaks and instead said his department did not need to know basic information as it plans its response.

While it is nice to have all the answers, some of the questions asked by Sen Kennedy are questions no one knows the answer to. I think Sen Kennedy was just having a bit of panic attack.

by dmwalsh568 Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:16 am

Federal Workers Were Sent to Help U.S. Coronavirus Evacuees Without Proper Protection, Whistleblower Says

https://time.com/5792135/coronavirus-whistleblower-hhs-employees/

The whistleblower was among a team of about a dozen employees from the agency who had been deployed to help connect the evacuees with government assistance that they might qualify for to ease their return. The team was there from mid-January until earlier this month.

Although team members had gloves at times and at other times masks, they lacked full protective gear and received no training on how to protect themselves in a viral hot zone, according to a description provided by the congressional office. They had no respirators. While helping the evacuees, team members noticed that workers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were in full gear to protect them from getting sick.

by dmwalsh568 Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:33 am

New US coronavirus case from area with quarantined evacuees from cruise, Wuhan

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02/new-us-coronavirus-case-from-area-with-quarantined-evacuees-from-cruise-wuhan/

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed the case late Wednesday, saying, “It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19,” meaning that the virus may be moving through members of the general US public undetected.

“It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected,” the agency said.

The patient is currently being treated at the University of California Davis Medical Center, which is in Sacramento, executives there confirmed in a public letter. But according to the California Department of Public Health, the patient is a resident of nearby Solano county. UC Davis Health executives noted that the Solano county patient was transferred to the Sacramento facility on February 19 “from another Northern California hospital.”

Notably, Solano county is home to the Travis Air Force Base, where hundreds of repatriated US citizens have been under federal quarantine after being evacuated from China and the luxury cruise liner, the Diamond Princess, which suffered a massive outbreak of the coronavirus earlier this month. Many of those quarantined evacuees have since been released from the base.

by **ReadyMom** Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:18 am

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Doctors discuss how to prepare for a disruption caused by coronavirus
https://www.10news.com/news/national/doctors-discuss-how-to-prepare-for-a-disruption-caused-by-coronavirus

(SNIP) ... “They said to be prepared and I think preparation is something we do all the time, we just don’t think of it in the context of an infectious disease,” Dr. Barron said.

Barron says that in order to prepare, you don’t need to do any more than you normally would preparing for something like a big storm.

“Have a plan be ready to go so that you have a baby sitter or someone that needs help from you has another access.”

Dr. Barron said she does not foresee Americans facing a shortage of food or medications at this time. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:30 am

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

White House eyeing use of special powers to produce more coronavirus protective gear
https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/28/white-house-eyeing-use-special-powers-produce-more-coronavirus-protective-n1144401?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+euronews%2Fen%2Fnews+%28euronews+-+news+-+en%29

The Trump administration is weighing using special executive authority to spur the production of gear like protective masks that could be used to slow the spread of the coronavirus in the United States, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar confirmed Friday.

The White House has been discussing the use of the Defense Production Act to direct expanded production of personal protective equipment, and will not hesitate to use it if necessary, Azar told reporters in a briefing on the coronavirus at the White House. ---continued---

by **ReadyMom** Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:15 am

NEW YORK (State)

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

Coronavirus USA Update: New York Braces For Outbreak As Latest Death Toll Hits 2,858
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-usa-update-new-york-braces-outbreak-latest-death-toll-hits-2858-2930698

(SNIP) ... New York City has set in motion a lavish plan spanning the entire breadth of the measures it must take to ensure the virus doesn't inflict significant harm to its population of 8.6 million, and its economy that makes it the world's second richest city behind Hong Kong.

On Wednesday, New York City mayor Bill De Blasio said the city is acquiring at least new 1,200 hospital beds in case of a COVID-19 outbreak. He said the hospital beds are available and won’t compromise other health services.

De Blasio also said the city will acquire a minimum of 300,000 facemasks after already distributing about 1.5 million masks to hospitals, healthcare centers and first responders, among others. The city also plans to ask for federal assistance to acquire these facemasks from private manufacturers. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:18 am

US MILITARY

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

US Navy Quarantines All Ships Recently Docked in Pacific Ports - Reports
https://sputniknews.com/us/202002281078429429-us-navy-quarantines-all-ships-recently-docked-in-pacific-ports---reports/

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The US navy has ordered that all ships that have made stops in countries of the Pacific region be put under quarantine and remain at sea for 14 days as a precaution amid the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) outbreak, the CNN broadcaster reported on Friday. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:41 am

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

If the coronavirus spreads in America, food delivery companies could see a surge in demand — are they ready?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/if-the-coronavirus-spreads-in-america-food-delivery-companies-could-see-a-surge-in-demand-are-they-ready-2020-02-28

People who isolate themselves with ‘social distancing measures’ would still need food

Yet bottom lines could go in the opposite direction for companies with food delivery built into their business model, according to market experts who point out everyone still has to eat — even if they do not leave their house.

More Americans are using the internet for their grocery shopping and meal plans, and that trend was going strong before coronavirus concerns, said David Portalatin, vice president, food industry advisor, for The NPD Group, a market research firm.

(SNIP) ... It is reasonable to conclude that if we were to have a serious outbreak here, it would be an acceleration of the previous trend,” Portalatin said. ---CONTINUED---

by TRex2 Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:20 pm

TRex2 wrote:
ReadyMom wrote:... Will be real interesting to see how public responds to this. I do believe my husband believes me now ...
Clock is ticking since 5AM, Eastern Standard Time, Tuesday: how many hours from warning to panic?
Well, thus far, no panic, no one stocking up to a point it would be obvious. But then, we currently have no cases "in the wild," and no quarantine zones. People are still mostly in a wait and see mode.

Well, it was almost 6 days. And then, for the first couple days, it was mainly the big cities, with people buying up all the bottled water, toilet paper, and hand sanitizer.

Clorox saw this coming, and ramped up production, early.
Their stock is up.

I watch the price of silver. When the preppers, as a demographic, get nervous, the price of silver tends to rise. (That may not happen, this time, since no one, other than me, is expecting this to lead to a melt down.) Silver rose a couple dollars to about $19, but now it is floating around the $18 mark.
...

Silver dropped back to its normal price.
The preppers are not panicked (seems like someone thought they could make some profit if we had been panicked. Too bad for them.)

The panic buying has expanded in the last couple days. Still, mostly hand sanitizer being bought out. But there is also a run on emergency food rations. Mountain House it sold out. Sounds like a lot of people who did a quick search for preparedness bought up things that are advertized on prepper websites. (I could be wrong on this.)

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