oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
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oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by jimLE Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:32 pm
As we all know.a oil lamp puts out light and heat.so im doing a small trial run today.it's 47F outside.i turned the central heat off.it's 71F in here right now.and ihave 3 oil lamps going.this trial run ain't a complete trial run.i still have 1 light and celling fan going.on accounti want to see how fast the 3 oil lamps will take to warm up the living-room that way first.then do it all over again tomorrow. But with no ceiling fan.
Edit..i could already notice a differnce in room temps when it comes to kitchen. Bedroom and bathroom. They all felt cooler at 2:38 compared to how the livingroom felt at that time.
Edit..i could already notice a differnce in room temps when it comes to kitchen. Bedroom and bathroom. They all felt cooler at 2:38 compared to how the livingroom felt at that time.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by TRex2 Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:08 pm
As winter is approaching, I was wondering how the rest of this test went.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by jimLE Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:08 pm
it worked ok.but never burn to many at once.they use up oxygen to fast.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by ReadyMom Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:12 pm
jimLE wrote:it worked ok.but never burn to many at once.they use up oxygen to fast.
I never thought about that! 
Decided to do some research:Oil Lamp For Preparedness – Quality Matters, Safety, Tips
https://modernsurvivalblog.com/preps/an-oil-lamp-for-preparedness/
Does Oil Lamp Produce Carbon Monoxide
Combustion produces carbon monoxide. The question is, how much? Depends on fuel, burn efficiency, exhaust, etc. Some fuels produce very little (e.g butane stove). Single Burner Butane Stove Safer For Cooking Indoors
Yes, a oil lamp will give off some carbon monoxide. People have relied on these lamps for thousands of years, and we’re still here. With that said, I highly recommend having a carbon monoxide detector in your home. One with a battery backup.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by TRex2 Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:36 am
Most people didn't live in homes that were sealed up as tight as a VW Beetle (remember the ad with it floating?) until recently.Yes, a oil lamp will give off some carbon monoxide. People have relied on these lamps for thousands of years, and we’re still here. With that said, I highly recommend having a carbon monoxide detector in your home. One with a battery backup.
JimLE's advice is sound.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by rick1 Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:53 am
This goes for any open flame, not just oil lamps.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by jimLE Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:05 am
i didnt think about the carbon dioxide. i guess it's a great idea my place aint air tight..i do plan on getting klean fuel once i have the money for it.hopefully it'll burn cleaner then the other fuels.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by ReadyMom Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:40 am
I didn't think of it either. If you want oil lamps to help with heat, in a sealed home ... forget it. But if you have another source of heat, keeping a couple of windows open slightly is going to help.
What about if you have an attached garage ... they are NOT sealed tight ... could you keep that house-to-garage door open ... not getting the direct draft, but getting the 'air' circulation?
What about if you have an attached garage ... they are NOT sealed tight ... could you keep that house-to-garage door open ... not getting the direct draft, but getting the 'air' circulation?
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by jimLE Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:03 am
ReadyMom wrote:jimLE wrote:it worked ok.but never burn to many at once.they use up oxygen to fast.
Oil Lamp For Preparedness – Quality Matters, Safety, Tips
https://modernsurvivalblog.com/preps/an-oil-lamp-for-preparedness/Does Oil Lamp Produce Carbon Monoxide
Combustion produces carbon monoxide. The question is, how much? Depends on fuel, burn efficiency, exhaust, etc. Some fuels produce very little (e.g butane stove). Single Burner Butane Stove Safer For Cooking Indoors
Yes, a oil lamp will give off some carbon monoxide. People have relied on these lamps for thousands of years, and we’re still here. With that said, I highly recommend having a carbon monoxide detector in your home. One with a battery backup.
i love this part.in which i have 2 miniature lamps for this.
It will also provide a unique ambiance for occasional use and enjoyment during non-emergencies. There’s nothing like the light of a flame.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by jimLE Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:13 am
ReadyMom wrote:I didn't think of it either. If you want oil lamps to help with heat, in a sealed home ... forget it. But if you have another source of heat, keeping a couple of windows open slightly is going to help.
What about if you have an attached garage ... they are NOT sealed tight ... could you keep that house-to-garage door open ... not getting the direct draft, but getting the 'air' circulation?
im thinking that depends on the direction the breeze/wind is blowing.plus the garage is colder then outside.that is if i figure right.so putting something between the door and door frame to keep it gaped a certain distance.then maybe tape off most of the gape.to only allow a certain amount of cold in.and to cut down the amount of air flow at the same time.
in my case.i might be able get away with opening the kitchen window a tiny bit.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by TRex2 Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:27 am
Any unvented flame will use the oxygen in the room. The rate of use is a function of the fuel burned, and I don't have the figures right not. Carbon Dioxide will build as oxygen is used, but usually isn't a problem. Once a substantial portion of the oxygen is gone, however, it adds itself to the problem and a third problem arises, that being Carbon Monoxide.
Until the late 70's early 80's most of us didn't live in houses that were tightly built, so the only time it presented a problem was when flu pipes failed to do their job, or when someone ran a gasoline engine indoors (gas engines, back then were not very efficient).
Most unvented heating systems rely on "radiant" heat to make people feel warm, in close proximity to the heater. When you start talking about heating spaces, it runs into the problem of not having enough ventilation, and when you add ventilation you lose a lot of your heat.
I am struggling with this too, since I will be depending on a (city) gas oven and a kerosene stove for heat of the power goes out this winter, before I can get a generator on line.
Until the late 70's early 80's most of us didn't live in houses that were tightly built, so the only time it presented a problem was when flu pipes failed to do their job, or when someone ran a gasoline engine indoors (gas engines, back then were not very efficient).
Most unvented heating systems rely on "radiant" heat to make people feel warm, in close proximity to the heater. When you start talking about heating spaces, it runs into the problem of not having enough ventilation, and when you add ventilation you lose a lot of your heat.
I am struggling with this too, since I will be depending on a (city) gas oven and a kerosene stove for heat of the power goes out this winter, before I can get a generator on line.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by jimLE Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:46 am
ive used the propane stove and oven in the rent house i move from.to get the chill out of the house when i got up in the morning.then they'd get turned off.in which id be drinking coffee by that time.
i need more mirror's for my oil lamps.seeing how that at least doubles the light if i figure right.
i need more mirror's for my oil lamps.seeing how that at least doubles the light if i figure right.
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“Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an example unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.”
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by TRex2 Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:51 am
I have done the same, but am wondering about a near worst case scenario: several days with no power, and at least 24 hours below freezing point. I would need about one gallon of kerosene or two gallons of propane, per day. But how much oxygen?jimLE wrote:ive used the propane stove and oven in the rent house i move from.to get the chill out of the house when i got up in the morning.then they'd get turned off.in which id be drinking coffee by that time.
Astute, as usual.i need more mirror's for my oil lamps.seeing how that at least doubles the light if i figure right.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by ReadyMom Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:02 pm
TRex2 wrote:Get them at the Dollar Stores!!jimLE wrote:Astute, as usual.i need more mirror's for my oil lamps.seeing how that at least doubles the light if i figure right.
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Re: oil lamps as a winter prep & Carbon Monoxide Concerns
by jimLE Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:36 pm
i'll be taking someone to one later on.so i'll price them at that time.i can get them for $10 at target.seeing how i already got one from there.but yet.that was 4+ years ago.so they could be a lil higher by now.
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expect the worst. Hope for the best. And capitalize on each situation the best you can..
“Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an example unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.”
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