Venezuela grid down

by Drinkthekoolaid Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:28 pm

I would say most of us are significantly more aware and in tune with events than the general population is.

I've been trying to keep tabs on what is going on in Venezuela.

Everyone knows it's been a complete socialist failure and has spiraled down the tubes in epic collapse.

Now.... A new twist

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chaos-machines-fail-patients-die-venezuela-blackout-224403704.html

The grid suddenly went down Nationwide. Some substations even reportedly blew up. You can infer what you want (there certainly is speculation it's deliberately sabotaged).

But the grid going down has turned the collapse into a complete disaster that is getting worse by the hour.

It's a real life case study to pay attention to on the effects of grid down.

by Dave58 Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:47 pm

My wife and I were discussing this and trying to figure which super power would try and absorb Venezuela when the melt down is complete. Just for the record my money is on China

by **ReadyMom** Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:05 pm

Dave58 wrote:My wife and I were discussing this and trying to figure which super power would try and absorb Venezuela when the melt down is complete. Just for the record my money is on China

Sheesh ... I hadn't even thought about *that*!! Shocked

by Drinkthekoolaid Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:22 pm

ReadyMom wrote:
Dave58 wrote:My wife and I were discussing this and trying to figure which super power would try and absorb Venezuela when the melt down is complete. Just for the record my money is on China
Sheesh ... I hadn't even thought about *that*!!

Didn't they help Venezuela with their oil rigs and equipment?

IMO china would love a strong foothold in the Americas

by rick1 Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:46 pm

China and Russia are somewhat allies of Venezuela.

My best guess is it was special forces of the United States and its allies - Any bets?

Read paragraph 4.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2019/03/09/could-venezuelas-power-outage-really-be-a-cyber-attack/#4835fe26607c

by Drinkthekoolaid Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:51 am

Meanwhile back in Venezuela....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6793585/Venezuelans-turn-looting-Caracas-fourth-day-power-outages.html

by rick1 Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:17 am

Entering the fifth day without power and they're looting, they were looting when they had power, it's only gotten worse because people are tired of eating out of garbage cans while their administration officials are eating lobster and steak. It's sad that innocent people have to die because of not having electricity (those in the hospitals).

Just sit down and think of what would happen here in the big cities if everything stopped for the fifth day because of no power.

I'm glad I live where I do, you couldn't pay me any amount of money to live within 100 miles of a major city.

by rick1 Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:20 am

Now on the 6th day without power, things are getting worse:

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/11/702179263/this-is-going-to-end-ugly-venezuela-s-power-outages-drag-on

by Drinkthekoolaid Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:48 pm

And the sewer is now a main source of water...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-water-idUSKBN1QS2SN?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c86f8ed3ed3f00001b2dd17&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

by rick1 Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:04 pm

[quote="Drinkthekoolaid"]And the sewer is now a main source of water...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-water-idUSKBN1QS2SN?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c86f8ed3ed3f00001b2dd17&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

/quote]

Saw that on the news, they showed people, including little kids with gallon jugs getting sewer water, even going through garbage cans/dumpsters to get something to eat, they are some desperate people.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:07 pm

Video
Venezuelan crisis: Running out of food, power and cash in blackout
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-47545055/venezuelan-crisis-running-out-of-food-power-and-cash-in-blackout?fbclid=IwAR2JrXSMMYqP-jAMHS8Y--MBZIRncD0xedb2VAL3tiQmRTe0-PhG-K_uV6Y

Each hour that passes without power in Venezuela brings more havoc and stress to a country already on edge.

The blackout has lasted several days and with poverty levels already high and 40C heat, how is the country coping?

by Dave58 Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:11 pm

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/767538/russia-invades-venezuela-troops-arrive-maduro-putin

Well it looks like I was wrong its Russia that shows up instead of China Interesting times we live in

by Drinkthekoolaid Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:26 pm

Dave58 wrote:https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/767538/russia-invades-venezuela-troops-arrive-maduro-putin

Well it looks like I was wrong its Russia that shows up instead of China Interesting times we live in

They are setting up shop

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-25/venezuela-military-deploys-s-300-missiles-following-russian-troop-arrival

by rick1 Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:06 pm

Beside Russia and China, don't forget Cuba:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/world/americas/venezuela-cuba-oil.html

by Drinkthekoolaid Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:26 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-not-stand-idly-russian-role-venezuela-pompeo-151345776.html

by rick1 Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:05 pm

Water is gold now in Venezuela. You have to look/read this article. One woman says she and her family haven't had running water for two years, she how the recycle their water from bathing with 1 liter of water to flushing their toilets and the list goes on:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/water-is-now-gold-for-desperate-venezuelans/life-without-water/slideshow/68534013.cms

by rick1 Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:05 pm

Another massive grid down situation in Venezuela, how much more can these people take. The first lady of Venezuela was at the white today. President Trump told Russia, "get out of Venezuela now".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/25/venezuela-new-blackout-half-country-no-power-maduro

by Drinkthekoolaid Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:10 pm

rick1 wrote:Another massive grid down situation in Venezuela, how much more can these people take. The first lady of Venezuela was at the white today. President Trump told Russia, "get out of Venezuela now".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/25/venezuela-new-blackout-half-country-no-power-maduro

Things are certainly getting interesting there

by Dave58 Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:49 am

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/04/02/39793672/if-you-are-not-paying-attention-the-world-ending-storm-of-a-third-world-war-is-gathering-in-venezuela

I guess the back up players have been called in

by rick1 Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:03 am

Dave58 wrote:https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/04/02/39793672/if-you-are-not-paying-attention-the-world-ending-storm-of-a-third-world-war-is-gathering-in-venezuela

I guess the back players have been called in

Doesn't surprise me, it's just a matter of time.

I said in a previous post, DON'T FORGET CUBA.

Cuba has been in Venezuela for over a century, Russia supports Cuba and China will support anyone that's against the U.S..

Right now the U.S. is in check.

by oldasrocks Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:26 pm

Cuba can't even support themselves. Cuba need the Venezuela oil. So Russia steps in to save the day. At least to keep the rabble in line and steal the oil. Russia sees major dollar signs controlling the biggest reserves of oil in the world. They don't have a problem just walking in and taking what they want. If we did the same we'd be badmouthed by the whole world.

Venezuela owes both China and Russia major dollars. Neither country will bow to the other so it will be interesting on seeing who wins the pot.

In the meantime our refineries are screwed because they are made to use the thick oil coming out of Venezuela. Until a couple weeks ago we were importing 108,000 barrels a day. Now nothing. This is why gas is going up. Refineries are scrambling to find a source of heavy oil. They cannot refine our sweet crude we pump here.
I have no idea of the chemistry or whether they can re-calibrate the refineries to use our oil.

by rick1 Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:53 am

OAR, I do agree with some of what you said, but, there are currently 20,000 to 25,000 cuban troops in Venezuela. Cuba says they're there because they are medical staff. If anyone believes that, then I have some ocean front property here in Pennsylvania to sell ya. Fox news said yesterday another 5,000 cuban troops are on their way there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/as-venezuelas-misery-grows-us-focus-shifts-to-cubas-role/2019/03/26/05fedfa0-4b2c-11e9-b79a-961983b7e0cd_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cdeaaa7f20bf

Yes, gas has gone up everywhere, but Venezuela is only part of that, OPEC has cut production since Trump asked them to increase it and the flooding in the midwest has cut ethanol production and the refineries are doing their spring cleaning.

It is sad on what you sad about thick and thin oil and the refineries, but I'm no chemist either.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-opec-survey/opec-oil-output-hits-four-year-low-on-saudi-cuts-venezuela-blackouts-idUSKCN1RD26N

by oldasrocks Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:49 am

Rick, I know there are Cuban troops there. Cuba is a Russian puppet and do what they are told. It does not look as bad for Russia with Cuban troops there.

I do not know if I am right about the refineries but that is what they are saying. Any excuse to jack us around and raise the prices.

The real conflict is between Russia and China over this. We are just collateral damage. If either gain control over Venezuela we are screwed big time. We should be tired of these takeovers and go take it ourselves. It would be better for the world and the people there.

by rick1 Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:10 am

Yes, I agree. You remember the Cuban embargo and the missile crisis when JFK was President.

Sounds like a plan to me. Cheers-Beer2

by oldasrocks Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:00 am

Can't we send Bernie and AOC down there to straighten things out? We could promise Bernie the presidency if he solves their problems and AOC -promise her the VP position.

They should show us how to do it right. It's partially done for them. No fossil fuels are being used and they probably ate all the cows already.

by rick1 Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:00 pm

oldasrocks wrote:Can't we send Bernie and AOC down there to straighten things out? We could promise Bernie the presidency if he solves their problems and AOC -promise her the VP position.

They should show us how to do it right. It's partially done for them. No fossil fuels are being used and they probably ate all the cows already.

You're a Hoot OAR Laugh Animated

by oldasrocks Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:53 pm

Just trying to be helpful.

by Dave58 Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:56 pm

Maybe we could send Groping Joe Biden with them just to feel things out .. Laugh-Roll

by oldasrocks Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:25 pm

Excellent idea. I', sure he would help to spread the love. Everyone needs a hug now and again.

by oldasrocks Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:01 pm

Anybody know how to find an e mail for Pelosi? I want to suggest to her a way to get rid of AOC ,

All she would have to do is convince (should not be hard) t AOC on the Venezuela thing. Just tell her if she would go down and straighten out Venezuela that she would support AOC for president.

by Dave58 Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:43 am

Ok we now have Russia,China and Cuban military in Venezuela. I know that they all have oil interest there , but is that the end game or do you guys think there is something more?? I know our southern border is wide open but I don't think that they would consider invasion... Any ideas ??

by rick1 Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:54 am

I think there is a lot more to it, just look what has happened in the last 3 or 4 years. China building an artificial island in the pacific with landing strips, Russia invading the Ukraine and presents in Cuba, more so than ever, etc..

Yes, there is more to it, an invasion of the U.S., no. Intel agents coming through the southern border, yes.

by oldasrocks Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:16 pm

Why would either want to invade? That costs money and they might get nuked.

Much easier to just bleed us dry through controlling the oil. They can wreck our economy, feed more crap in to make us hate each other till we have a Civil War. Then they can just walk in to SAVE us like they are doing in Venezuela.

by Dave58 Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:04 am

I don't think they are planning an invasion anytime soon , but I do believe it is in the long term plans (the movie Red Dawn).. I don't think they would be worried about getting nuked that's is pretty much out of the question simply because if you do us we will do you and everybody knows it , but taking small bites of North America at a time would not be out of the question.. Look at the Muslim population in Minnesota they have a very large gathering there. Just one bite at a time.....

I'm not trying to be a racist or doomsayer ,but I do tend to see the world in black and white no gray area or that's what my wife says anyway..

by rick1 Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:02 pm

Russia sends cybersecurity team to Venezuela, China and Cuba amp up support:

https://www.newsweek.com/venezuela-russia-special-forces-cybersecurity-deployment-nicolas-maduro-china-1376644

by Dave58 Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:00 pm

Interesting article.. I heard on the news that they blame the USA for their power grid going down so it might come down to they think we done it to them so it gives them the right to do it to us...

I think it would be a very good idea to keep a eye on them PopCorn

by TRex2 Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:44 pm

rick1 wrote:Russia sends cybersecurity team to Venezuela, China and Cuba amp up support:
https://www.newsweek.com/venezuela-russia-special-forces-cybersecurity-deployment-nicolas-maduro-china-1376644

Just to add another monkey wrench:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/fervent-ties-remain-between-iran-and-venezuela-by-the-way-of-hezbollah

As Iran and Venezuela become increasingly isolated and sanctioned by the U.S and much of the international community, the two governments are said to be tightening their bond - with the help of Tehran's proxy group, Hezbollah, in the middle of the action.

"Training between Iran and Venezuela has increased in the past few years as part of a larger plan between the Venezuelan regime, consisting of increasing the number of Hezbollah operatives and their supporters across Latin America,” Johan Obdola, President of the Canada-based Global Organization for Intelligence (IOSI) and former counter-narcotics chief in Venezuela, told Fox News. “(Hassan) Rouhani and (Nicolas) Maduro have established a very firm and close relationship, which was of course initiated by (Hugo) Chavez.”

Venezuela’s connections to Iran – and by default its proxy militia, Hezbollah – go back more than a decade. Hezbollah, which translates to “The Party of God,” is an Iran-backed, Shiite-dominant political and military group that began in Lebanon in 1982, ...

Iran is an ally of Russia. Hezbollah is an arm of Iran. North Korea and Iran have an alliance. North Korea is a puppet of China.

There you have it. From Russia to China, they are all in league against America.
(I can tell you why, in the Religion section.)

by rick1 Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:52 am

Looks like the coup in Venezuela has begun:

https://www.cnn.com/americas/live-news/juan-guaido-venezuela-operation-freedom-live-updates/index.html

by Drinkthekoolaid Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:10 pm

rick1 wrote:Looks like the coup in Venezuela has begun:

https://www.cnn.com/americas/live-news/juan-guaido-venezuela-operation-freedom-live-updates/index.html

May get interesting.... Stay tuned

by TRex2 Wed May 01, 2019 6:34 am

I do believe we should refrain from calling it a coup,
as that is what our enemies want to label it. Guaido
is the lawful leader of that country, and Maduro has
no lawful standing, according to their constitution.

Looks like the Chief of their national police force
has come over to our side.

by Drinkthekoolaid Wed May 01, 2019 9:03 am

TRex2 wrote:I do believe we should refrain from calling it a coup,
as that is what our enemies want to label it. Guaido
is the lawful leader of that country, and Maduro has
no lawful standing, according to their constitution.

Looks like the Chief of their national police force
has come over to our side.

It looks like it hit the fan there yesterday. Random gun battles in the streets.

Citizens attacking APCs with rocks. APCs plowing into crowds.

Fires all over. Massive crowds. Rioting. Protesting. Marching. Mass arrests.

It got bad.

The question is will this quickly fizzle out as the regime cracks down or will the people escalate and continue pushing the situation.

This is EXACTLY why we should NEVER give up our guns.

by Drinkthekoolaid Wed May 01, 2019 1:35 pm

This may or may not be accurate but definitely worth watching.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8977662/russia-nuke-missiles-venezuela-cuban-missile-crisis/

by TRex2 Wed May 01, 2019 2:01 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:This may or may not be accurate but definitely worth watching.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8977662/russia-nuke-missiles-venezuela-cuban-missile-crisis/

This is an assertion made by FL Rep Mario Diaz-Balart, who has some intel credibility, but I don't have independent information to back him up. It is possible they have a couple nukes there, and I have other sources that say Iranian engineers built missile launch facilities there, also.

That would mean they are within range for an Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile.

by Dave58 Thu May 02, 2019 10:48 am

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/us-military-prepping-for-guaido-takeover-in-venezuela

If it true and they do have nukes and a launch facilities there I don't think they are going to welcome us with open arms..

Time to rethink the preps again Sad

by rick1 Thu May 02, 2019 11:52 am

Nuclear weapon(s) in Venezuela, maybe, could be, possible. My guess is as good as anyone else.

One thing is for sure and something to think about, Russia did land 2 nuclear carrying bombers in Venezuela back in December. Whatever came of that situation.

by Drinkthekoolaid Thu May 02, 2019 3:14 pm

rick1 wrote:Nuclear weapon(s) in Venezuela, maybe, could be, possible. My guess is as good as anyone else.

One thing is for sure and something to think about, Russia did land 2 nuclear carrying bombers in Venezuela back in December. Whatever came of that situation.

That was just a routine training / show of force mission.

Nothing to see there. Nothing out of ordinary that we don't do.

What you want to look for is Russian AN-124s landing or reports of Russian flagged freighter vessels arriving.

I do find it concerning they already set up an s300 battery.

by TRex2 Thu May 02, 2019 4:51 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
That was just a routine training / show of force mission.
Nothing to see there. Nothing out of ordinary that we don't do.
What you want to look for is Russian AN-124s landing or reports of Russian flagged freighter vessels arriving.
I do find it concerning they already set up an s300 battery.

I concur with your analysis.

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