Discussion & Speculation: Spread Controversy in China

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China coronavirus: Wuhan medical staff being infected at much faster pace than reported, sources say:
https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047441/wuhan-medical-staff-being-infected-virus-much-faster-pace

   Fifteen cases of the coronavirus have been officially reported among medical staff in the city, but doctors say the true number is far higher
   One says that ‘even now we don’t have enough protective gear’ but hospital workers have ‘no option’ but to carry on

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:

I'm more interested in trying to decide what's going on by following their actions not their words.  I'm not going to post the links here but there are some internet blogs that claim china is SIGNIFICANTLY under reporting what's going on and how many people have already died, like way way way under reporting.  There are rumors that many people are being disappeared and are just immediately being cremated.

Look:
 Hat Tip to 'Toaster2 ', FluTrackers

translated

Online exposure of a funeral home in Wuhan pulls 50 dead a day
https://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/1/24/n11818867.htm

Update: 2020-01-25 3:05 AM Tags: Wuhan pneumonia, 50 dead, patients fall to the ground

Epoch Times, January 25, 2020: The pneumonia epidemic in Wuhan may be much more severe than the official CCP report, and the number of deaths may also be much higher than the official figure. A netizen in Wuhan broke the news that only one local funeral home pulled 50 bodies a day.

A netizen named "Sister Sister Mighty" posted news on January 24 that her aunt died of a new type of pneumonia and her body was placed on the bed of Hankou Hospital yesterday. The hospital was not allowed to enter the morgue, and her family members should contact the funeral home and disinfect themselves .

After her aunt died at about 10 pm on the 23rd, her family contacted a funeral home. Until 11 noon on the 24th, the funeral car had not arrived.

Because there was only one car in the funeral home to sterilize, the whole city pulled dead people, and one hospital and one hospital pulled, "Yesterday (23) 50 people were killed a day." When people die, they are thrown there. No one cares about it.

She also said, "I'm also scared. People die when they are left on the hospital bed. The temperature of the hospital is high, the virus is fermented, and the virus spreads freely, which will infect more people. This is definitely not only my aunt's family. The hospital is a Big sick bank! "
Netizens broke the news that a funeral home in Wuhan pulled 50 dead people one day on the 23rd. (webpage Screenshot)

According to the Chinese Communist Party's official report on January 24, as of now, a total of 903 cases have been confirmed in the mainland, of which 495 cases have been confirmed in Wuhan; 26 people have died, 24 in Hubei, 1 in Hebei, and 1 in Heilongjiang.

However, current political commentator Shi Shi said that the information disclosed on the Internet showed that the death toll was far higher than the 26 officially reported by the CCP.

Shi Shi said that there is more than one funeral home in Wuhan, and the above-mentioned netizens broke the news that only one funeral home pulled 50 corpses a day, indicating that in Wuhan alone, more than 50 people died on the 23rd.

The video disclosed by Wuhan netizens on the 23rd showed that the local patient fell to the ground directly at the hospital or the roadside, the picture was shocked, but these posts and videos were continuously deleted.

A person familiar with the matter quoted a friend who was in the Wuhan community to introduce him. Some patients fell ill and fell directly to the ground! Five cases have appeared in a certain district in Wuhan, and were towed away by medical staff after discovery.

On the 23rd, an online recording of an internal group sent by the head nurse of Wuhan Xiehe Hospital to his family and relatives was also circulated on the Internet.

Recordings show that the current epidemic situation in Wuhan is far more severe than the outside world thinks. All major hospitals are overcrowded. Now the hospitals do not accept ordinary patients at all. Many hospitals leave the entire ward or ward to employees and their families.

She revealed, "A medical department in (Wuhan) Concord has been recruited, and now orthopedic surgeons are working as internal medicine (doctors)."

She said that what I want to tell you now is that this coronavirus has no medicine to treat at all, and it is the key that its immunity can survive this viral period. She suggested that family members and loved ones should never go out, visit relatives and friends, and wear a few more layers of masks, wash hands, drink plenty of water, etc. when going out. #

Editor-in-Chief: Zhang Dun

ReadyMom wrote:

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:

I'm more interested in trying to decide what's going on by following their actions not their words.  I'm not going to post the links here but there are some internet blogs that claim china is SIGNIFICANTLY under reporting what's going on and how many people have already died, like way way way under reporting.  There are rumors that many people are being disappeared and are just immediately being cremated.

Look:
 Hat Tip to 'Toaster2 ', FluTrackers

translated

Online exposure of a funeral home in Wuhan pulls 50 dead a day
https://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/1/24/n11818867.htm

Update: 2020-01-25 3:05 AM Tags: Wuhan pneumonia, 50 dead, patients fall to the ground

Epoch Times, January 25, 2020: The pneumonia epidemic in Wuhan may be much more severe than the official CCP report, and the number of deaths may also be much higher than the official figure. A netizen in Wuhan broke the news that only one local funeral home pulled 50 bodies a day.

A netizen named "Sister Sister Mighty" posted news on January 24 that her aunt died of a new type of pneumonia and her body was placed on the bed of Hankou Hospital yesterday. The hospital was not allowed to enter the morgue, and her family members should contact the funeral home and disinfect themselves .

After her aunt died at about 10 pm on the 23rd, her family contacted a funeral home. Until 11 noon on the 24th, the funeral car had not arrived.

Because there was only one car in the funeral home to sterilize, the whole city pulled dead people, and one hospital and one hospital pulled, "Yesterday (23) 50 people were killed a day." When people die, they are thrown there. No one cares about it.

She also said, "I'm also scared. People die when they are left on the hospital bed. The temperature of the hospital is high, the virus is fermented, and the virus spreads freely, which will infect more people. This is definitely not only my aunt's family. The hospital is a Big sick bank! "
Netizens broke the news that a funeral home in Wuhan pulled 50 dead people one day on the 23rd. (webpage Screenshot)

According to the Chinese Communist Party's official report on January 24, as of now, a total of 903 cases have been confirmed in the mainland, of which 495 cases have been confirmed in Wuhan; 26 people have died, 24 in Hubei, 1 in Hebei, and 1 in Heilongjiang.

However, current political commentator Shi Shi said that the information disclosed on the Internet showed that the death toll was far higher than the 26 officially reported by the CCP.

Shi Shi said that there is more than one funeral home in Wuhan, and the above-mentioned netizens broke the news that only one funeral home pulled 50 corpses a day, indicating that in Wuhan alone, more than 50 people died on the 23rd.

The video disclosed by Wuhan netizens on the 23rd showed that the local patient fell to the ground directly at the hospital or the roadside, the picture was shocked, but these posts and videos were continuously deleted.

A person familiar with the matter quoted a friend who was in the Wuhan community to introduce him. Some patients fell ill and fell directly to the ground! Five cases have appeared in a certain district in Wuhan, and were towed away by medical staff after discovery.

On the 23rd, an online recording of an internal group sent by the head nurse of Wuhan Xiehe Hospital to his family and relatives was also circulated on the Internet.

Recordings show that the current epidemic situation in Wuhan is far more severe than the outside world thinks. All major hospitals are overcrowded. Now the hospitals do not accept ordinary patients at all. Many hospitals leave the entire ward or ward to employees and their families.

She revealed, "A medical department in (Wuhan) Concord has been recruited, and now orthopedic surgeons are working as internal medicine (doctors)."

She said that what I want to tell you now is that this coronavirus has no medicine to treat at all, and it is the key that its immunity can survive this viral period. She suggested that family members and loved ones should never go out, visit relatives and friends, and wear a few more layers of masks, wash hands, drink plenty of water, etc. when going out. #

Editor-in-Chief: Zhang Dun

Wow, if that's accurate then we are unfortunately correct. It's way worse than they are publicly admitting.

Thanks for find the video about them fumigating Wuhan. It condoms those rumors are factual. Again, another very ominous sign.

Just consider the entire twitter post to be bold

Hat Tip to 'Sharky', FluTrackers:

From Twitter: https://twitter.com/i/status/1220946590858264576

(In Chinese with English subtitles). Voice message from a medical staff in Wuhan: "Indeed, the infection is much more horrible than it's reported on TV. There are so many cases. Doctors have estimated about 100,000 infected. We have more than 10 doctors here, and each doctor has treated more than 100 infected people in just one day. Many of them will not make it. No hospital beds. Their relatives complained and insisted on being treated in our hospital as they quoted the government's promise the hospital should treated those infected with the coronavirus. However, the government didn't support us with medical supplies. We don't have enough resources to hospitalize patients. It won't work if the situation worsens like this. We've been slammed all day long and we are all breaking down. We cannot take it anymore. The patients were begging us desperately, but we couldn't do anything. They are dying right in front of our eyes. Therefore, please take every measure to protect yourselves at home. Don't EVER trust the government. We are on our own now."

Looks like China knew this was a potentially BAD situation developing, back in December. The even notified WHO (World Health Organization)!!

Hat Tip to 'Shiloh', FluTrackers:

Weeks before lockdown, Wuhan authorities used 'refrigerating strategy’ to downplay coronavirus
Nathan VanderKlippeAsia correspondent
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-weeks-before-lockdown-wuhan-authorities-used-refrigerating-strategy/

Beijing
Published 3 minutes ago

...Now, new evidence is emerging that officials in Wuhan deliberately downplayed the virus, even after formally notifying the World Health Organization on Dec. 31 about what the WHO described as “a cluster of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause.”

But the Wuhan government took a “refrigerating strategy” in the early days of the viral spread, a doctor at Wuhan Union Hospital told China News Weekly. Medical staff were banned from speaking publicly about what was taking place or accepting media interviews, the doctor said.

Police in Wuhan also said in early January that they had arrested eight people for spreading “rumours” about what was then a little-understood pneumonia affecting a growing number of people.

Another person claiming to be a Wuhan physician wrote to the National Health Commission this week claiming that doctors in the city were told not to report “viral pneumonia” in their imaging reports between Jan. 12 and Jan. 16 — a period during which local officials delivered sunny reports on a local situation under control. That meant that, during a crucial period in which cases were accumulating, local health-care workers were unable to properly raise the alarm, the person wrote. The Globe and Mail was unable to independently verify the report, which was widely circulated in China and not refuted by state media...

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/senator-tom-cotton-shreds-chinas-official-virus-story-warns-super-laboratory-proximity

Interesting claim from a US senator

 Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Coronavirus Outbreak in China 'Much Worse' than Officially Reported, Claim Wuhan Residents
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-china-outbreak-epidemic-wuhan-1485354?piano_t=1

The coronavirus has already claimed more lives in mainland China than the SARS epidemic, amid reports the country's authorities are not being transparent about the scale of the epidemic and that people are finding it hard to get treatment.

(SNIP) ... Long Jian, 32, told The New York Times his father had to wait a week and visit half a dozen hospitals before he could even get a coronavirus test.

"The situation that we've seen is much worse than what has been officially reported," he told the paper.

"Those who can get diagnosed and treated are the lucky ones. In our neighborhood, many who weren't able to get diagnosed ended up dying at home."

(SNIP) ... The trouble is a ban on transportation makes it difficult to get to the hospitals. When citizens arrive, the hospitals are overrun with patients. Compounding the problem is a shortage of medical kits and supplies, according to The Times.

Hat Tip to 'Treyfish', FluTrackers:

Wuhan medic: 'Many more infections than official numbers show'
https://www.dw.com/en/wuhan-medic-many-more-infections-than-official-numbers-show/a-52252563

In Wuhan, patients are being transferred to a new 1,000-bed hospital that officials hope will help to isolate the virus's spread. But one medical technician says they are overwhelmed and cannot handle all the cases.
DW: Do you trust the official numbers of infections and deaths? --- CONTINUED---

Jiesi Luo*: I think there are many more infections and deaths from coronavirus than have been officially reported. When preliminary tests determine that a patient has a lung sickness, the nucleic acid test (NAT), which detects viruses, cannot always be carried out because the waiting list is too long. The patient is therefore not diagnosed.

Furthermore, if someone dies from the lung sickness, and has not taken the NAT test, the fatality is not statistically registered as having been caused by the coronavirus.

What is the current risk of infection in Wuhan?

Zerohedge has been all over this from the beginning and their latest report is almost Hal Turner level bad

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/did-chinas-tencent-accidentally-leak-true-terrifying-coronavirus-statistics

It's pretty much saying what we here are all thinking.

 Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Data suggests virus infections under-reported, exaggerating fatality rate
https://www.trtworld.com/asia/data-suggests-virus-infections-under-reported-exaggerating-fatality-rate-33521

Experts say the discrepancy is mainly due to the under-reporting of milder coronavirus cases in Wuhan and other parts of Hubei province which is grappling testing equipment and bed shortages.   ---CONTINUED---

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Billionaire Whistleblower: Wuhan Coronavirus Death Toll Is Over 50,000
https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/

*The official coronavirus death toll in China is a little over 800. But an exiled Chinese businessman says crematoriums are leaking the real figure.
*A billionaire whistleblower alleges Wuhan has crematoriums working 24/7. He claims they’ve cremated some 50,000 coronavirus victims.
*Guo Wengui is a Chinese billionaire living in exile in the United States.

The official coronavirus death toll is some 800 people in China. The current official death toll worldwide, outside of China, is 774. But a Chinese billionaire with a history of blowing the whistle on his former government says the real figure is much higher.

Exiled Chinese businessman Guo Wengui recently revealed leaks from Wuhan crematoriums. He claims based on the number of bodies their furnaces are burning, the death toll could be as high as 50,000. Wengui made the bombshell allegations in an interview with former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon. ---CONTINUED---

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Angry Chinese Ambassador Slams US Senator For "Absolutely Crazy" Theory Coronavirus Is Biological Weapon
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/angry-chinese-ambassador-slams-us-senator-absolutely-crazy-theory-coronavirus-biological?fbclid=IwAR0-u5f9ZRW2lNzdZwRKnvJpkUqURDRRf4FkJ2mCWt58SpkgzoT1akgb0Nk

(SNIP) ... on Sunday, the Chinese Ambassador to the U.S. Cui Tiankai slammed Senator Cotton for doing just what we did first, namely suggesting the coronavirus could have been created in a Chinese biological warfare lab.

"I think it’s true that a lot is still unknown and our scientists, Chinese scientists, American scientists, scientists of other countries, are doing their best to learn more about the virus, but it’s very harmful, it’s very dangerous, to stir up suspicion, rumors and spread them among the people," he said.   ---CONTINUED---

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Does this satellite image show the scale of China's coronavirus cremations?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7986553/Does-satellite-image-scale-Chinas-coronavirus-cremations.html

High sulphur dioxide levels at the centre of the coronavirus outbreak could be a sign of mass cremations, it has been claimed.

Satellite maps in recent days have shown alarming levels of SO2 around Wuhan, the Chinese city where the outbreak began.

In addition, there were high sulphur dioxide levels in the city of Chongqing which is also under quarantine.

Scientists say that sulphur dioxide is produced when bodies are cremated, and also when medical waste is incinerated. ---CONTINUED---

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Coronavirus’ ‘case-fatality rate’ could range from 1% up to 18%
https://uk.style.yahoo.com/coronavirus-casefatality-rate-could-range-from-1-up-to-18-131739429.html

The coronavirus’ “case-fatality rate” could range from 1% up to 18%, research suggests.

(SNIP) ... Case-fatality rates measure the number of deaths from a certain disease as a percentage of the total amount of patients.

Based on available data, the Imperial scientists estimate the case-fatality rate in the province Hubei - of which Wuhan is capital - as 18%.

They note the “credible interval” ranges from 11% up to 81%.

Among “travellers outside mainland China”, the case-fatality rate is estimated at between 1.2% and 5.6%, with “substantial uncertainty”. ---CONTINUED---

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Footage of 'body bags' from inside Wuhan
Fang Bin, a 47-year-old seller of traditional clothes from Wuhan, said he visited one of the seven hospitals designated for treating suspected and confirmed patients of the new type of coronavirus.

(VIDEO at link)

Fang provided one of his videos to The Associated Press news agency, which verified it. Shortly after his visit, men in hazmat suits allegedly came by his house to check on his health.

He said they grabbed him and surrounded him, confiscating his computer and mobile phone, and then hustled him into a car and drove him to the outskirts of the city, where they began to question him. He was released shortly after. ---CONTINUED---

ReadyMom wrote: Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

Coronavirus’ ‘case-fatality rate’ could range from 1% up to 18%
https://uk.style.yahoo.com/coronavirus-casefatality-rate-could-range-from-1-up-to-18-131739429.html
...
They note the “credible interval” ranges from 11% up to 81%.
...

I wouldn't consider the "style" section of Yahoo a credible source,
and even if I did, I suspect the 81% is a typo, and she meant 18%

... What???

Coronavirus Could Spread Through Pipes in Buildings, Officials Fear
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-could-spread-through-pipes-buildings-officials-fear-1486646

Over 100 residents have been evacuated from an apartment building in Hong Kong after two people fell ill with the deadly new coronavirus, stoking fears 2019-nCoV could be spread through pipes.

Hong Kong's Centre for Health Protection said the two sick people lived on separate floors at Hong Mei House on the Cheung Hong Estate in the New Territories area of Hong Kong, The New York Times reported. ---CONTINUED---

Here's another about the apartment pipes. My question is what kind of pipes? Water? Air? Sewer?

Coronavirus infects residents on different floors of apartment building, raising fears of disease's spread
https://abcnews.go.com/International/coronavirus-infects-residents-floors-apartment-building-raising-fears/story?id=68902774

The two infected residents were separated by 10 floors, officials said.

A hundred people have been quarantined in Hong Kong after being evacuated from an apartment building where two residents living on different floors were diagnosed with the novel coronavirus, authorities said.

During a press conference Tuesday, officials from Hong Kong's Center for Health Protection said the two infected residents were separated by 10 floors and the decision to partially evacuate the public housing estate in the city's Tsing Yi area was made after the discovery of an unsealed pipe in the bathroom of the lower apartment, raising fears about how the newly identified virus may have spread between the two units.  ...CONTINUED

ReadyMom wrote:Here's another about the apartment pipes. My question is what kind of pipes? Water? Air? Sewer?

Just heard them say on FoxNews: "Sewage pipes" ... still trying to find something on this.

ReadyMom wrote:

ReadyMom wrote:Here's another about the apartment pipes. My question is what kind of pipes? Water? Air? Sewer?

Just heard them say on FoxNews: "Sewage pipes" ... still trying to find something on this.

That would make sense as they have been talking about fecal transmission as a possibility and at least one report talked about loose bowels as a symptom.

Personally I'd be more worried about the handrails shown in the pictures and how often they get sanitized....if the maintenance is bad enough that raw sewage is dripping in ceilings then I guess they haven't been cleaning the hallways properly either.

Hat Tip to 'Pathfinder', FluTrackers:

Experts: 15 seconds of exposure to the virus is entirely possible
http://finance.eastmoney.com/a/202002111380111295.html

February 11, 2020 19:06Source:First Financial

Summary

[Expert: Transmission within 15 seconds is completely possible] Wang Guiqiang, director of the Department of Infectious Diseases, Peking University First Hospital, said in an interview with Xinhua News Agency that the virus is generally highly contagious, and transmission within 15 seconds is completely possible of. If there is no protection and the amount of local virus is very high, it does not depend on how long it takes. In a word, the droplets may arrive and you will be infected. Not to mention 15 seconds, 2 seconds can also cause infection, so protection is important. (One fortune)
　　
Wang Guiqiang, director of the Department of Infectious Diseases, Peking University First Hospital, said in an interview with Xinhua News Agency that the virus is relatively infectious in general. It is completely possible for 15 seconds to cause transmission. If there is no protection and the amount of local virus is very high, it does not depend on how long it takes. In a word, the droplets may arrive and you will be infected. Not to mention 15 seconds, 2 seconds can also cause infection, so protection is important.
...

Wang Guiqiang is the director of the Department of Infectious Diseases of the First Hospital of Peking University and the chairman of the Infectious Diseases Branch of the Chinese Medical Association. During the new crown pneumonia epidemic, he was a national medical expert and was assigned by the National Health Commission to guide the treatment of critically ill patients in Anhui and other places. He also participated in the revision of the fifth version of the new crown pneumonia diagnosis and treatment program and represented the expert group. State Council press conference on joint prevention and control mechanism.

Infection within 15 seconds of exposure indicates that neo-coronary pneumonia is particularly contagious? Why do mild patients die suddenly? Why are "false negatives" frequent in nucleic acid testing? On these issues, a reporter from Xinhua News Agency interviewed Director Wang Guiqiang on February 10 and come to understand it together!

Question: The recent example of 15-second exposure caused infection with the new crown virus, does it indicate that new crown pneumonia is particularly contagious?

Wang Guiqiang: Generally speaking, the virus is relatively contagious. It is completely possible for 15 seconds to cause transmission. If there is no protection and the amount of local virus is very high, it does not depend on how long it takes. In a word, the droplets may arrive and you will be infected. Not to mention 15 seconds, 2 seconds can also cause infection, so protection is important.

Q: What is aerosol transmission and what are the specific conditions?

Wang Guiqiang: Visually speaking, aerosol is equivalent to the sunlight. You can see the small dust floating in the room, which is the feeling. Therefore, aerosol transmission is a very important mode of transmission in respiratory infectious diseases. However, there are certain conditions for aerosol transmission, which is not to say that all places where aerosol is transmitted.

The size of the environment is important, and the density of the virus per unit volume is decisive. For example, if the virus floats in the atmosphere and the outdoor environment, the probability of infection is extremely low, so we emphasize that these places generally do not cause infection in the outdoor and on the street. If in a small environment, such as the laboratory space where animal experiments are cultivated, including the space where nucleic acid testing is now performed, aerosols may float in the air, and poor protection may cause transmission.

In certain work environments, air circulation can also create transmission risks. For example, the office is not ventilated. Several people have worked in it. Although this office is no longer used and no one is there, there may still be aerosols. After entering, it may be infected without protection.

The environment inside the elevator is also high risk. In this case, it is recommended that you take good precautions. We always recommend wearing a mask in a small, unventilated area, which is itself a protective measure against aerosol transmission. Currently, this measure is effective for aerosol protection.

Q: Why are some patients critically ill, while others can heal at home?

Wang Guiqiang: The same virus infected patients, some are light, some are ordinary, and some are heavy, which is closely related to the individual's immune status. At present, patients with a higher mortality rate of new coronary pneumonia are mainly the elderly and those with underlying diseases. The reason is that the elderly are less resistant and the immune status is not so good; patients with underlying disease may worsen the underlying disease during the infection of new coronary pneumonia. For example, patients with chronic bronchitis and viral infections will develop secondary bacterial infections, and their condition will easily deteriorate.

Q: Why did someone with mild illness suddenly die?

Wang Guiqiang: Immunity is a double-edged sword. When the body's immune activation attempts to remove foreign pathogenic microorganisms, it will cause the body's own damage. If the amount of virus is large and the immunity is strong, there will be a more severe local struggle, which will cause local inflammation and cell damage, which is the so-called inflammatory factor storm. At this time, the condition may worsen. Therefore, sometimes the stronger the immunity, the more severe the disease and the faster the progress.

We mentioned in the diagnosis and treatment plan that there are conditions to do cytokine testing. If there is an obvious inflammatory factor storm and a large number of inflammatory factors are released, do not let it have an overly strong response. Drugs such as hormones and gamma globulin can be used to solve the inflammatory factor storm, or reduce inflammatory factors through blood purification and plasma exchange. . An inflammatory response after infection is inevitable. This is a normal immune process, but an excessively strong immune response will cause greater harm to the body. We hope to have some control and some suppression.

Q: What is the significance of building a "square cabin hospital" in Wuhan?

Wang Guiqiang: "Fangcai Hospital" is a very good means in the current emergency situation, mainly used for the centralized treatment of light confirmed cases. These patients do not need to be treated systematically in large hospitals and general hospitals, saving their beds for people who may become heavier, which can further reduce the mortality rate; at the same time, it can also solve the problem of lightly diagnosed cases requiring isolation and care. Some light cases may be converted into ordinary or even heavy ones. In the "square cabin hospital", it is helpful to promptly identify these patients and transfer them to the hospital in time, so it is also equivalent to a transfer station. At this stage, the "square cabin hospital" is of great significance, and has achieved the purpose of isolating patients, timely screening patients, and performing triage.

Q: What should we do in the face of a suspected case?

Wang Guiqiang: All suspected cases should be quarantined and treated at designated medical institutions. The diagnosis and treatment plan is written like this. I hope everyone will implement them. If this is not done, it will be responsible for causing the spread. Pay special attention to people from Hubei, because there is indeed a risk of transmission. This is not discrimination. From the perspective of infectious disease control, special attention must be paid to this group.

Q: Why do “false negatives” occur frequently in nucleic acid testing?

Wang Guiqiang: The first factor is the sensitivity of the detection technology, which is the detection technology itself. The first is whether the specificity and sensitivity of the detection method are good enough; the second is whether the operation process is very standardized and the specimen collection is also very knowledgeable. Therefore, in the fifth edition of the diagnosis and treatment plan, we proposed to change to a nasopharyngeal swab, which was originally just a throat swab. At present, from the perspective of infectious diseases of the respiratory tract, the detection rate of nasopharyngeal swabs is higher, including the first and second stream, which are mainly detected by nasopharyngeal swabs.

The second factor is the disease itself. Coronary pneumonia is an infectious disease of the respiratory tract. Most of the virus enters the body through the respiratory tract, so the amount of virus in the upper respiratory tract may be relatively large. After the disease progresses to a certain degree, it mainly infects the lungs, and a large number of viruses reproduce and release in the lungs, causing lung inflammation. At this time, the amount of virus in the upper respiratory tract may be less, because the respiratory mucosa itself has a certain immune state, natural immunity works, and the upper respiratory tract test may be negative. At this time, the detection rate of the lower respiratory tract specimen must be high. However, when you have just gotten sick, the lower respiratory tract may not be detected. You must wait for pneumonia, cough, and sputum, and its positive rate must be high. This is determined by the characteristics of the disease itself.

Question: What are the practical needs of the grassroots in terms of diagnosis and treatment technology?

Wang Guiqiang: Nucleic acid diagnosis is now widely used, and the supply of kits is sufficient. At the grassroots level, objectively speaking, the PCR polymerase chain reaction technology still has bottlenecks. It requires a PCR laboratory and a certain level of protection. Therefore, at the grassroots level, development may be difficult. Some patients at the grassroots level cannot perform effective nucleic acid screening, which may affect the diagnosis and treatment of the disease. Simple and easy rapid diagnosis technology is a top priority, and the Ministry of Science and Technology has set up a project to promote this work.

Q: How is the current development of antiviral drugs? Are there any specific drugs?

Wang Guiqiang: At present, there are no data on these drugs, and the case report can't draw conclusions. It can only be said that they see better signs, including Redecive and Cleeve. The fifth edition of the diagnosis and treatment plan still says that there are no exact antiviral treatment drugs at present. The drugs that can be applied are interferon spray and clitoris. There are still many drugs under study, such as Abidol, these are being researched and explored. There is no conclusion yet.

Q: How will the peak of the return trip affect the epidemic?

Wang Guiqiang: There may be a small fluctuation in the epidemic at the peak of the return trip. Some cases are not well screened. He may have been infected and become a hidden source of infection, but this part of the population is small. Although there may be a change in the epidemic situation after the peak of the return trip, or it may fluctuate or increase, if the prevention and control is not relaxed, the epidemic peak will not occur.

Q: After you return to work, what issues should you pay attention to when eating?

Wang Guiqiang: No one can say that takeaway is 100% safe, but overall the probability of causing disease transmission is very low. However, special attention should also be paid. It is recommended not to take it out at home when taking out food. Wear a mask and go outside to take it out. Throw the packaging directly into the trash can and do not bring it back to the room. After entering the house, wash your hands, then take the meals inside, and then wash your hands and eat.

Try to keep your distance when you eat, and do n’t want a group of people to eat and chat in the house. It's best to eat your own, don't talk, and finish eating quickly. Because you must take off your mask when eating, be sure to keep a distance of more than one meter.

Q: When will the inflection point of the epidemic arrive?

Wang Guiqiang: The turning point of the epidemic needs to be viewed from two aspects. On the one hand, whether the patient mobility in Wuhan and Hubei is well controlled is the first. On the other hand, patients in other provinces are not effectively diagnosed and isolated in time. If both are well done, I think we will soon see the so-called inflection point. At present, the overall incidence has a downward trend, and the increase is not so great, but it cannot be said that the inflection point has come. It can be said that this is a good phenomenon, indicating that prevention and control efforts in various places are increasing.

Question: How to understand the significance of medical personnel from all over the country helping Hubei?

Wang Guiqiang: It is incumbent on doctors to rush on the front line in the face of the epidemic. There is no reason to shirk it, especially for infection doctors. I would like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to my colleagues in the National Infectious Diseases Department, and hope that you will protect yourself. (Source: Xinhua News Agency)　　

(Article source: China Business News)

ANOTHER hospital being built in Wuhan! Another one!  

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Hubei will build another emergency reserve hospital
https://pc.gzdaily.cn/amucsite/web/index.html#/detail/1156806

@ 新华 视点 -11 hours ago

As the county with the most severe outbreak in Huanggang City, Hubei Province, Laishui County is urgently requisitioning a new Maternal and Child Health Hospital under construction as an emergency reserve designated hospital. It is planned to be completed and put into use within 7 days, and it is expected to add 200 new beds.

Huanggang City is a relatively severe epidemic area in Hubei Province. Huanggang City Health Committee reported that as of 21:00 on February 11, 2020, Huanggang City had accumulated 2398 confirmed cases, of which 280 cases were confirmed in Laishui County. The new crown pneumonia epidemic prevention and control headquarters in Lishui County decided on the 10th to build a Xiaoshuishan Xiaotangshan Hospital based on the principle of "being prepared rather than used, not available but not prepared".

In the morning of February 11th, a number of excavators, forklifts and nearly a hundred workers officially entered the site and started construction. The newly rebuilt hospital will be constructed strictly in accordance with the "three zones and two passages" standard, and will urgently renovate a ward and a staff dormitory, and build a steel canteen. The hospital will be completed and put into use by February 18.

Source: @ 新华 视点
guangzhou daily full media editor: Chen Yashi

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Official Coronavirus Cases Near 50,000 – But the CDC Isn’t Buying It
https://www.ccn.com/official-coronavirus-cases-near-50000-but-the-cdc-isnt-buying-it/

   The Wuhan coronavirus has infected more than 45,000 people. The rate of new infections is allegedly slowing in China.
   But outside of China, new infections continue to grow at an alarming rate.
   According to a mathematical model from the CDC, China may be underreporting the data.

The Wuhan coronavirus, now known as COVID-19 by the World Health Organization, has officially infected more than 45,200 people. The disease is still concentrated in mainland China, with over 70% of the infected residing in Hubei province.

But despite the staggering scope of the outbreak, independent scientists still think China is underreporting the crisis.   ---CONTINUED---

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Officials rumored that mass corpses were burned in Wuhan, air monitoring was not true
http://www.rfi.fr/cn/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD/20200212-%E4%BC%A0%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%A4%A7%E9%87%8F%E7%84%9A%E7%83%A7%E5%B0%B8%E4%BD%93-%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E8%BE%9F%E8%B0%A3%E6%8C%87%E7%A9%BA%E6%B0%94%E7%9B%91%E6%B5%8B%E4%B8%8D%E5%AE%9E

issuing time: 12/02/2020-13:15

Author:
Gu Li

In response to media reports using the website Windy data, “Wuhan suspected that a large number of Wuhan pneumonia patients' bodies were burned, resulting in an alarming concentration of sulfur dioxide in the air”. The Central News Agency quoted a report today, saying that outsiders believe that the current published diagnosis data cannot reflect the true situation, because many patients have died before they can be diagnosed with Wuhan pneumonia (coronavirus disease in 2019).

According to a report by the Central News Agency today, it is reported that Wuhan has burned a large number of corpses, and China claims that the air monitoring data are false. The news pointed out that a media report said that “the suspected incineration of a large number of Wuhan pneumonia patients’ bodies in Wuhan caused an alarming concentration of sulfur dioxide in the air. ”The relevant person in charge of the China National Environmental Monitoring Station came out today to“ remove rumors ”, stating that the data used by foreign media differed from actual monitoring data by 200 Times.

The report said that many media reports recently that data from the Czech weather service website "Windy" shows that Wuhan is full of sulfur dioxide (SO2) with a concentration of more than 80 micrograms per cubic meter in the city. At 7 o'clock in the evening on the 8th, An even more alarming concentration of 1700 micrograms per cubic meter appeared in other cities in Hubei Province. Some netizens traced the location where the sulfur dioxide was the most concentrated, and found that it was quite close to the local cemetery and lime sand brick factory. It was suspected that it was related to the authorities' treatment of the dead patient's body, and it was estimated that 14,000 remains would be cremated to release such a large amount of sulfur dioxide.

According to the comprehensive Beijing News and China News.com, the relevant person in charge of China National Environmental Monitoring Station stated on the 12th that relevant experts from China National Environmental Monitoring Station, the Satellite Environment Application Center of the Ministry of Ecology and Environment, and the Chinese Academy of Sciences checked the relevant information. "After careful comparison and verification, The increase of SO2 concentration in Wuhan released by the Windy website is seriously distorted, and its SO2 concentration data is not credible. According to the data at 0 and 1 on the 9th, Windy website pointed out that the concentration of sulfur dioxide in Wuhan "contaminated area" reached per cubic meter. Above 1500 micrograms, the highest concentration is even more than 1700 micrograms; but according to Chinese air monitoring stations, the carbon dioxide concentration before and after this period fluctuates only between 4 and 8 micrograms per cubic meter, and the difference between the two concentrations is as much as 200 times.

According to the person in charge, not only Wuhan, but also the ground surface sulfur dioxide concentrations published elsewhere on Windy's website have great deviations from local monitoring results. Taking the data from Beijing Dongsi Station on the 11th as an example, the hourly deviation between the two can reach 4 to 60 times, and the daily deviation can reach 15 times, which is significantly higher than the "actual concentration".

According to the Central News Agency, several media reported that data from the Czech weather service website "Windy" shows that Wuhan is full of sulfur dioxide (SO2). The picture shows the results of netizens sharing Chinese SO2 data on the Windy community website on the 10th. (Picture taken from community.windy.com, Windy's community webpage)

However, Chinese officials have "clarified" the report from overseas media, which also reflects the serious concern of the epidemic in Wuhan. It is reported that the outside world believes that the current published diagnosis data cannot reflect the true situation, because many patients have died before they can be diagnosed with Wuhan pneumonia (coronavirus disease in 2019).

According to an article published by Tencent on the Internet, a Hubei funeral worker stated in early February that the unit where he worked had been changed to a 24-hour stand-by in order to dispose of the remains in a timely manner. According to him, after the outbreak, the unit stipulated that everything should be simplified. In order to avoid crowds and no farewell ceremony before cremation, all the remains need to be handled as soon as possible regardless of whether pneumonia is diagnosed. Some family members were unable to accept the requirement of immediate cremation, refused to sign the cremation consent, and some were out of control.

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Wuhan's two coronavirus hospitals built in 12 days are only treating 1,136 patients despite capacity for 2,600 amid soaring number of cases
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7999969/Wuhans-two-coronavirus-hospital-built-scratch-12-days-HALF-EMPTY.html

Two emergency coronavirus hospital built from scratch in the space of 12 days in Wuhan are treating less than half of the patients they were supposed to, official figures have revealed.

The Huoshenshan and Leishenshen hospitals were designed to have about 2,600 beds in total, but as of yesterday there were only a combined 1,136 sufferers receiving medical attention in the two facilities.

The news comes as the daily number of confirmed patients in the city jumped more than 12 times and the death toll increased three times on a single day yesterday. ---CONTINUED---

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Rabobank: "There Is Genuine Confusion On How Many People Are Being Tested; How They Are Tested; And How Many Are Actually Dead"
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/rabobank-there-genuine-confusion-how-many-people-are-being-tested-how-they-are-tested-and

(SNIP) ... Not so pleasing is that there is genuine confusion on how many people are being tested; how they are being tested; how they are being classified; and how many people are actually dead. This kind of confusion is something markets have learned to live with over a little matter like Chinese GDP; it’s not so easy when it comes to something you live or die with, like a virus. ---CONTINUED---

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Why the coronavirus outbreak might be much bigger than we know
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/14/21134473/coronavirus-outbreak-singapore-us-symptoms-pandemic

What the situation in countries like Singapore and the US tells us about the risk of global spread.

In a remarkably calm and candid tone, Singapore’s prime minister acknowledged something difficult: The new coronavirus disease, Covid-19, was likely spreading in his country, even among people who have never been to China.

“In the last few days,” Lee Hsien Loong said on February 8 in a Facebook video, “we’ve seen some cases which cannot be traced to the source of infection. These worried us because it showed that the virus is probably already circulating in our own population.” If the virus is even more widespread, he added, “it’s futile to try to trace every contact.” Instead of trying to contain the disease, health officials in Singapore will have to accept that it’s gone everywhere and shift to mitigating its impact. ---CONTINUED---

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Coronavirus: Researchers pinpoint facility near Wuhan seafood market as possible ground zero
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12309151

Researchers say they may have pinpointed the source of the deadly coronavirus as the death toll soars past 1600.

Scientists from South China University of Technology in Guangzhou wrote and published a paper speculating that a centre for disease control near a Wuhan seafood market may be ground zero for the virus.

Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao wrote that the Wuhan Centre for Disease Control and Prevention was the possible source because it "hosted animals in laboratories for research purposes", including bats, and was "within 280 metres of the Huanan Seafood Market where a number of early infections were reported. ---CONTINUED---

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The coronavirus may be ‘Disease X’ health experts warned about
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/02/22/covid-19-may-be-the-disease-x-the-health-agency-warned-about/?fbclid=IwAR0ThLY5-7avD5mR33dHHClSQf2wGfjynubqeP-m6dUvdzfLYZPekFwgPXY

The World Health Organization cautioned years ago that a mysterious “disease X” could spark an international contagion. The new coronavirus, with its ability to quickly morph from mild to deadly, is emerging as a contender. ---CONTINUED---

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New Chinese study indicates novel coronavirus did not originate in Huanan seafood market
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml

A new study by Chinese researchers indicates the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November from a place other than the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan.

The study published on ChinaXiv, a Chinese open repository for scientific researchers, reveals the new coronavirus was introduced to the seafood market from another location, and then spread rapidly from market to market. The findings were the result of analyses of genome-wide data, sources of infection and the route of spread of 93 samples of the novel coronavirus collected from 12 countries across four continents. ---CONTINUED---

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Virus Outbreak: Researcher says COVID-19 likely synthetic
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2020/02/23/2003731479

Humans likely synthesized COVID-19, although more studies are needed to be certain, National Taiwan University (NTU) public health researcher Fang Chi-tai (方啟泰) said yesterday.

Fang made the statement during a disease-prevention education seminar held at NTU by the Taiwan Public Health Association. ---CONTINUED---

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New report says evidence suggests China lied about origins of coronavirus outbreak
https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-report-says-evidence-suggests-china-lied-about-origins-of-coronavirus-outbreak

Despite China's claim that the coronavirus outbreak was traced back to a market in Wuhan that sold live animals, there have been rumblings that the disease escaped from a biology lab or was part of a biological warfare experiment. Republican Sen. Tom Cotton (Ark.) has perhaps been the loudest voice parroting this theory.

Now, a new report in the New York Post points to evidence that suggests Cotton's theory may be more fact than fiction.

According to the Post, after Chinese President Xi Jinping recently warned about the need to prevent similar viral outbreaks in the future, ---CONTINUED---

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Coronavirus mystery deepens: COVID-19 may not be what people thought
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/coronavirus-mystery-deepens-covid-19-may-not-be-what-people-thought/articleshow/74317677.cms

WASHINGTON: Scientists can't tell yet how deadly the new virus that's spreading around the globe really is — and deepening the mystery, the fatality rate differs even within China.

As infections of the virus that causes COVID-19 surge in other countries, even a low fatality rate can add up to lots of victims, and understanding why one place fares better than another becomes critical to unravel. ---CONTINUED---

Talk of things getting back to normal.

I have been hearing chatter in the financial circles (today on Cavuto, on Fox News) that things may be returning to normal, soon. This follows several days of China publishing numbers showing the number of new infections is dwindling. That could mean one of three things.

First, It could simply be wishful thinking on the part of those speaking about it. One was an Apple Exec, and the other was a financial expert. The were not epidemiologists, so that would not surprise me. (But who is briefing them?)
Second, the virus is actually running out of infectable hosts, in some of the areas that were worse hit, and the number of infections is dwindling.
Third, it could be that China is simply forcing people to go back to work, virus or no virus. This also would not surprise me, and would dovetail with what I said earlier today about flooding the zone with disinformation.

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COVID-19 of natural origin rather than lab creation: Chinese study
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181938.shtml

A Chinese-led research group announced in a study this weekend that their evidence suggested the coronavirus that caused the global COVID-19 outbreak likely occurred naturally and through gene recombination rather than being a laboratory creation.

The study published on bioRxiv, an open access preprint repository for the biological sciences, also indicated the virus might come from some natural recombination events among viruses in bats and other wildlife species.

The research and analysis came from 227 bat samples collected from Southwest China's Yunnan Province between May and October last year. ---CONTINUED---

TRex2 wrote:Talk of things getting back to normal.

I have been hearing chatter in the financial circles (today on Cavuto, on Fox News) that things may be returning to normal, soon. This follows several days of China publishing numbers showing the number of new infections is dwindling. That could mean one of three things.

...
Second, the virus is actually running out of infectable hosts, in some of the areas that were worse hit, and the number of infections is dwindling.
...

I may have stumbled onto a piece of good news. I looked at the numbers from the H1N1 pandemic in 2009, and noticed that about 12 million of us got vaccinated and another 12 million got the flu. Why didn't we all get it? I don't really know, but it appears that only a small percentage of the population was susceptible to begin with, and the same may be true with this virus.

That means it will begin running out of infectable hosts much sooner than we first thought.