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Post by rick1 Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:18 am

New strain of covid, countries are already banning flights from South Africa. Some say it will spread like wild fire. They don't even know if our current vaccines will work on this new variant.

I wonder how many have already crossed our southern border:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/south-africa-covid-19-variant-mutations_n_61a04a18e4b0451e55057dce

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Post by ReadyMom Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:30 am

I just can't help wonder if this is real or hype for the vaccine. We're going to be facing variants forever, like the common cold & flu. I hate distrusting people I used to trust.

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Post by ReadyMom Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:43 am

B.1.1 decendant associated with Southern Africa with high number of Spike mutations #343
https://github.com/cov-lineages/pango-designation/issues/343?fbclid=IwAR0rYIhIaW4ceVL5xweZwe4JUzYEaMxquyqhvNMSvcqxaiL_qU5rsB9fYP0

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Post by Dave58 Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:55 am

ReadyMom wrote:It's spreading into other countries. Here's some articles  Fluwiki, over on Facebook.

Israel detects its first case of new, highly mutated COVID-19 strain
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-detects-first-case-of-new-highly-mutated-covid-19-strain/?fbclid=IwAR0b9AaYAe8zIGzSLy_eURFkoF3p7nr7OL5djWt3IMWxt92VtkUNgVAxEZY

Belgium confirms case of new, heavily mutated Covid variant
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/belgium-confirms-case-of-new-heavily-mutated-covid-variant.html?fbclid=IwAR2Vvz6_ttnXonYSyQ5O19DZwOTikiV-BDavITrt-cOyVh5vubo1HwM6egE

White Flag I know this is not going to end for a very long time , but I can't help but feel that if people would wear a mask in the stores and just wash their hands it would help a lot... Head Slap

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Post by ReadyMom Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:59 am

Dave58 wrote:
ReadyMom wrote:It's spreading into other countries. Here's some articles  Fluwiki, over on Facebook.

Israel detects its first case of new, highly mutated COVID-19 strain
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-detects-first-case-of-new-highly-mutated-covid-19-strain/?fbclid=IwAR0b9AaYAe8zIGzSLy_eURFkoF3p7nr7OL5djWt3IMWxt92VtkUNgVAxEZY

Belgium confirms case of new, heavily mutated Covid variant
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/belgium-confirms-case-of-new-heavily-mutated-covid-variant.html?fbclid=IwAR2Vvz6_ttnXonYSyQ5O19DZwOTikiV-BDavITrt-cOyVh5vubo1HwM6egE

White Flag   I know this is not going to end for a very long time , but I can't help but feel that if people would wear a mask in the stores and just wash their hands it would help a lot... Head Slap

THAT I can agree on. I'm trying to be a 'good girl' and not go into discussion on the other options that are getting forced onto us Cool .

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Post by rick1 Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:52 pm

ReadyMom wrote:
Dave58 wrote:
ReadyMom wrote:It's spreading into other countries. Here's some articles  Fluwiki, over on Facebook.

Israel detects its first case of new, highly mutated COVID-19 strain
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-detects-first-case-of-new-highly-mutated-covid-19-strain/?fbclid=IwAR0b9AaYAe8zIGzSLy_eURFkoF3p7nr7OL5djWt3IMWxt92VtkUNgVAxEZY

Belgium confirms case of new, heavily mutated Covid variant
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/belgium-confirms-case-of-new-heavily-mutated-covid-variant.html?fbclid=IwAR2Vvz6_ttnXonYSyQ5O19DZwOTikiV-BDavITrt-cOyVh5vubo1HwM6egE

White Flag   I know this is not going to end for a very long time , but I can't help but feel that if people would wear a mask in the stores and just wash their hands it would help a lot... Head Slap

THAT I can agree on. I'm trying to be a 'good girl' and not go into discussion on the other options that are getting forced onto us Cool  .

Once it hits the U.S. and starts to spread, you know the head clown will mandate everything from masks to being locked down in your own home.

If he was smart, he would stop all air travel from outside the U.S.. But that wouldn't matter, as they are freely coming across our southern border and being distributed throughout our country.

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Post by TRex2 Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:45 pm

I don't normally like to get involved with speculation on "newly emerged" strains of virus, as they happen all the time, but, since y'all already have a thread open on it, and it has already impacted the Stock Markets, I will grudgingly get involved.

Especially, remembering how y'all were ahead of me, discovering that Covid was worth looking at. (Once again, thank you for the heads up, on that one, 22 months ago.)

Here are a couple relevant snippets from my main resource:
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/11/south-african-nicd-statement-on-b11529.html
“B.1.1529 is a new lineage that has been found in Botswana that carries an unusual constellation of mutations. Given the large number of mutations it has accumulated apparently in a single burst, it likely evolved during a chronic infection of an immunocompromised person, possibly in an untreated HIV/AIDS patient.

“It is difficult to know what to make of the carriage of both P681H and N679K. It is a combination we see only exceptionally rarely. I suspect it is generally not ‘stable’, but it might be so, in combination with other mutations/deletions.
(Note: The SMC post refers to B.1.1529, while the NICD refers to B.1.1.529. For now, I've gone with the NICD announcement's nomenclature).

Bombastic headlines aside, it will take some time before we can know if B.1.1.529 has the ability to take on the juggernaut that is the Delta Variant; probably months.
More to come.

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Post by TRex2 Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:37 pm

Dave58 wrote: White Flag   I know this is not going to end for a very long time , but I can't help but feel that if people would wear a mask in the stores and just wash their hands it would help a lot... Head Slap
rick1 wrote:Once it hits the U.S. and starts to spread, you know the head clown will mandate everything from masks to being locked down in your own home.

If he was smart, he would stop all air travel from outside the U.S.. But that wouldn't matter, as they are freely coming across our southern border and being distributed throughout our country.
These are delaying strategies. They don't stop the virus from achieving its destination, they just make it take longer. Of course, if you apply those as personal tactics, you may get lucky and make the virus bypass you.

They may (possibly) work on a personal level.
They don't work on a national, or even regional, level.

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Post by TRex2 Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:50 pm

The updates on this new variant are coming by the hour.

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/11/more-details-emerge-on-b11529-uk-places.html
Rather than the 22 cases mentioned in yesterday's press release, the number of confirmed cases in South Africa is reportedly now well over 1,000, and rising rapidly.

Exact numbers via genomic sequencing take time and abundant resources, but this new variant - much like Alpha - carries mutations that produce an ‘S Gene Target Failure’ on many PCR tests, which can give us a rough estimate of its prevalence.

Overnight the UK announced that starting today, six South African nations - South Africa, Botswana, Eswatini, Lesotho, Namibia and Zimbabwe - would be placed on their travel `Red list',
Worst case theory, we could have a million cases, world wide by New Year's day. More likely to take until February.

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/11/who-statement-classification-of-omicron.html
While there is a lot we still don't know about this new variant, preliminary reports suggest this strain might be less deterred by prior immunity from either infection or vaccination, and it appears to be competing well against Delta in Gauteng, South Africa.

Today, the WHO held a hastily convened emergency session of their TWG (Technical Working Group) on the virus evolution, and have released the following statement on their decision to elevate B.1.1.529 (now dubbed Omicron), to VOC (Variant of Concern) status.
It is important to state this analysis is preliminary. We had a lot of the same concern about Delta, and turned out to be less lethal (although it made its victims feel worse for a couple of days).



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Post by rick1 Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:19 pm

The new variant is now called "Omicron". Public health officials say there's no need to panic, YET. Shocked

Saw on the news that it's detected in Hong Kong now. They also said that it's probably here in the U.S., but just hasn't been detected yet.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-new-coronavirus-variant-omicron-raises-red-flags-among-scientists-e2-80-94-but-there-are-more-mysteries-than-answers-about-its-public-threat/ar-AARaVcI

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Post by TRex2 Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:21 pm

They also said that it's probably here in the U.S., but just hasn't been detected yet.
I would say "possibly" rather than probably.

Fauci is still trying to blow smoke (aka Gaslighting) to cover for the Chinese. The reason Covid originally arrived in the USA before we knew it, was that China deliberately seeded it into about 100 countries, in December and January. (We began to lock down Jan 31st)

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Post by rick1 Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:54 am

Omicro now in the EU, spreading like wildfire.

Corn pop put a travel ban on South Africa, funny thing though, it doesn't take affect until Monday. This gives another 2 days of flights from South Africa, what a clown clown :

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/26/biden-admin-announces-travel-ban-for-south-africa-and-7-other-countries-citing-new-variant-523394

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/covid-live-omicron-variant-spreads-to-europe-uk-expert-says-reboot-of-pandemic-extremely-unlikely/ar-AARbTKm

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Post by TRex2 Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:18 am

rick1 wrote:Omicro now in the EU, spreading like wildfire.
Corn pop put a travel ban on South Africa, funny thing though, it doesn't take affect until Monday. This gives another 2 days of flights from South Africa, what a clown clown :
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/26/biden-admin-announces-travel-ban-for-south-africa-and-7-other-countries-citing-new-variant-523394
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/covid-live-omicron-variant-spreads-to-europe-uk-expert-says-reboot-of-pandemic-extremely-unlikely/ar-AARbTKm
Most of this, on all sides, is politics, not science.

Corn pop shouldn't have delayed the order until Monday, but this is common, with the excuse that the airlines stand to lose a lot of money, and it will inconvenience a lot of people if the ban is immediate. Politics, here, is putting money over safety.

Science and Journalism aren't what they used to be, nor are they what they should be. All of the cases in the article are "possible" cases or "suspect." While it is likely one or more of those cases will turn out to be the Omicron variant, it isn't spreading. YET. This is journalism aiding politics for the purpose of creating a panic, which will be used to strip away more liberty from more people.

Near the end of the article, several people are flapping their lips about there being no such thing as behavioral fatigue, and needing a "policy of elimination." Well, I can tell you, behavioral fatigue is real, and most of us have experienced it. What is not in keeping with reality is a "policy of elimination." We can manage this virus, but we won't eliminate it. At least, not in our lifetime. Pretending otherwise is simply a pretext for stripping away liberties.

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:10 pm

South African doctor says omicron variant symptoms ‘unusual but mild’
https://www.foxnews.com/health/south-african-doctor-omicron-variant-symptoms-unusual-mild

"It presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two not feeling well," Coetzee explained. "So far, we have detected that those infected do not suffer the loss of taste or smell. They might have a slight cough. There are no prominent symptoms. Of those infected some are currently being treated at home."

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Post by TRex2 Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:09 am

ReadyMom wrote:South African doctor says omicron variant symptoms ‘unusual but mild’
https://www.foxnews.com/health/south-african-doctor-omicron-variant-symptoms-unusual-mild

"It presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two not feeling well," Coetzee explained. "So far, we have detected that those infected do not suffer the loss of taste or smell. They might have a slight cough. There are no prominent symptoms. Of those infected some are currently being treated at home."

Fast spreading, but "mild" is still what they are looking at today.
There is still some reason for concern, though.

Previously, this virus appeared to be somewhat stable, unlike the flu, spawning a variant here and there, and slowly becoming more contagious, but less damaging.

It appears that the virus has become unstable, like the flu. If so, it will tend to spawn variants that are more damaging or less damaging, at random.

Also, we tend to forget, even though we treat this as a respiratory virus, it does its damage once it is in the blood, and can randomly damage anything in the body. This means, even though this variant (or other variants in the future) appear mild, we need to watch anyone who contracts it, and watch them for a month or two afterwards, to ensure they really are getting well.

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