Gun (confiscation/buyback/control)chat

Well since guns are important to many of us (I actually got into guns as a result of learning about prepping a few years ago.

Let's talk about guns.

Obviously they are quite prevelant in the news cycle now

Democrats are tripping over themselves over who can be the first to order a surrender/mandatory buy back
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-dems-split-on-gun-buyback-idea-in-wake-of-mass-shootings

What do you guys think?

I think it's increasingly likely that at some point in the next 10-20 years if things continue on this course and there are no major end of the world events first, that at some point the Democrats (or RINOs) will enact some sort of legislation on a national level

I live in NY and am stuck "complying with" the NY "un"SAFE ACT. I can see something even more infringing being enacted on a national level if the Democrats have a super majority and inevitably there are more mass shooting tragedies.

What are you guys doing to mentally prepare for such a possible scenario? Do you worry about it? If not you should be. People in NY said it couldn't happen to them. If/when TX flips blue (it's already purple and the Dems are letting more illegals flow in and purposely blocking voter ID laws) it's inevitable that in our lifetimes Texas will turn blue for presidential elections. When that happens it's game over.

It's a real concern. Have you guys thought about it as well?

DTKA, remember, Big Brother knows what we write so, I no longer have that problem (guns), I gave them all away to relatives, friends, etc., along with about 40,000 rounds of various ammo I had for them.

rick1 wrote:DTKA, remember, Big Brother knows what we write so, I no longer have that problem (guns), I gave them all away to relatives, friends, etc., along with about 40,000 rounds of various ammo I had for them.

Unless you paid cash, they know.

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:

rick1 wrote:DTKA, remember, Big Brother knows what we write so, I no longer have that problem (guns), I gave them all away to relatives, friends, etc., along with about 40,000 rounds of various ammo I had for them.

Unless you paid cash, they know.  

Everything is dealt in cash, no money order, no check, no credit card, only green backs and you end up with no fuss, no muss.

Sorry about you living in NY, I'm glad I live in the hills of PA. Our county sheriff even sends out a notice 30 days in advance telling you your concealed carry permit needs renewed. He wants everyone to carry a firearm, just as long as you pass the background test.

Sorry I am a bit late to the conversation.

I live in NY and am stuck "complying with" the NY "un"SAFE ACT. I can see something even more infringing being enacted on a national level if the Democrats have a super majority and inevitably there are more mass shooting tragedies.

What are you guys doing to mentally prepare for such a possible scenario? Do you worry about it? If not you should be.

Am I worried, not worried, but concerned.

What do I think?
I think this veteran got it right.
I think we need to each be keeping a list of names (and addresses, if we can get them) of judges who operate clearly outside of the Constitution and Jurisprudence, as this one did. The part highlighted in red is a violation of jurisprudence and thus grounds to remove the judge from the bench.
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2017/10/30/veteran-convicted-violating-nys-safe-act-gets-no-prison-time/

A Niagara County jury convicted the Niagara Falls resident of possessing high-capacity ammunition magazines, which are illegal under the state’s Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act of 2013, commonly known as the SAFE Act. Police found the items in his car during a traffic stop in April 2016 in North Tonawanda.

“I think that the SAFE Act is clearly unconstitutional,” Mokhiber said after his court hearing. “The Second Amendment is only one sentence long. It’s written in plain English, that one sentence, and the SAFE Act clearly violates it. It’s not a complicated matter.”

Mokhiber testified in his own defense at the trial. He said he hoped the jury would ignore the SAFE Act, even though the judge in the case instructed jurors to follow the law whether they agreed with it or not.

If the appeals court does not strike this down, we need to also get the record of which ones voted which way and keep those names and addresses, too.
A day of reckoning is coming, and we should be able to know the good guys from the bad guys.

Big Brother knows what we write so,...

Which means that forums like this will someday soon have to go underground.

I gave them all away to relatives, friends, etc.,

can't really remember where mine went. I buy trade and give
guns and ammo as gifts every Christmas and Easter. (And
sometimes at the start of deer season. )

Unless you paid cash, they know.

Not ammo, since I expend it and give it as gifts, as I said above,
but always, always use cash for guns.

Our county sheriff even sends out a notice 30 days in advance telling you your concealed carry permit needs renewed. He wants everyone to carry a firearm, just as long as you pass the background test.

Your sheriff may someday be a part of the resistance movement currently known as Oathkeepers. In the future, there may be places that are known as sanctuary cities and counties, where the 2nd amendment is still in force, regardless of unconstitutional laws.
(Thanks can be given to the Demoncrats for pioneering this idea.)

In addition to the above, I have already advocated for stockpiling ammo and building caches.

Since Virginia has become a far left state, since the last election, they want to do as much as possible to control guns. There is a sheriff that is going to do what he can to stop the far left. I find his actions to be a threat to the far left. You got to read what he said he will do:


https://www.foxnews.com/us/virgina-sheriff-vows-to-deputize-resident-in-response-to-expected-gun-control-legislation-from-state-democratic-lawmakers

rick1 wrote:Since Virginia has become a far left state, since the last election, they want to do as much as possible to control guns. There is a sheriff that is going to do what he can to stop the far left. I find his actions to be a threat to the far left. You got to read what he said he will do:


https://www.foxnews.com/us/virgina-sheriff-vows-to-deputize-resident-in-response-to-expected-gun-control-legislation-from-state-democratic-lawmakers

I love it.

As someone who lives in NY we have already gone through exactly this. Except our local politicians merely condemned the nysafe act and voiced opposition to it.

To put it in perspective this is ny on a county by county Level of being pro or anti gun. Hint, the liberals downstate (NYC and long island) control everything and what they say goes and it doesn't matter what we think. The majority of NY state is nothing at all like new York City.




The same thing is happening in VA. NOVA (northern VA and the DC metro) now have enough pull to control the states politics.

It's also happened in CA, CT, IL, MD, NJ, WA etc.. and now VA.
Tx and FL are probably next.



This (puts on tin foil hat) is another reason why we all need to take agenda 21 and 2030 seriously. Urban liberal/progressive strongholds are consolidating power and controlling all the states they infect.

Look at VA the second it goes blue the IMMEDIATELY push gun control.

Look at states like NY and WA. You have urban corridors that make up 10% of the states land mass determining everything for the state.

Many states are going to go the way of NY. Well, or until individuals decide for themselves and say it's not going to happen anymore.

DTKA, I agree with ya. I have a very dear friend that I served with in VietNam that lives in way upstate NY (Peru, NY) and he's ready to move down my way.

Tacoma, Washington just passed a law that puts a $25.00 tax an every gun sale and .05 cents on every round of ammunition greater than .22 caliber. Here's a video from FOX news about it, you have to go through the advertisement video first:




https://video.foxnews.com/v/6103804041001#sp=show-clips

rick1 wrote:DTKA, I agree with ya. I have a very dear friend that I served with in VietNam that lives in way upstate NY (Peru, NY) and he's ready to move down my way.

Tacoma, Washington just passed a law that puts a $25.00 tax an every gun sale and .05 cents on every round of ammunition greater than .22 caliber. Here's a video from FOX news about it, you have to go through the advertisement video first:




https://video.foxnews.com/v/6103804041001#sp=show-clips

Sounds about right.

Personally I can't wait to move out of here and it's a shame.

I think the best outcome for our country at this point is if people peacefully self separate and move to areas that share their political beliefs.

Peaceful Balkanization and Segregation is unlikely, but we will be glad to have your kind, if you move down this way.

( I don't think PA will be safe much longer, either, but I could be wrong.)

TRex2 wrote:Peaceful Balkanization and Segregation is unlikely, but we will be glad to have your kind, if you move down this way.

( I don't think PA will be safe much longer, either, but I could be wrong.)

You may be right TRex, any time the far left socialist demonrates of America take over, every state is doomed, no matter what state you live in.

Look no further than what the far left socialist demonrates are doing in D.C. and what the ones are saying they will do if elected president. We are all screwed.

Social unrest may be coming sooner than we think.

You may be right TRex, any time the far left socialist demonrates of America take over, every state is doomed, no matter what state you live in.

Out here in the midwest, we are paying less and less attention to what the federales want us to do. As a far less than perfect example, one town out here, when told to remove the Nativity scene from the court house lawn, told the Lefties "come and take it."

The real deal is that there are areas, like AR, where the population is largely rightwing, and low enough that, if we can get enough guys like you and DTKA to join us, we be an independent free state, when the Winds of War bring the day of Reckonning to the rest of the country. That is one reason I keep telling DTKA that I would be glad to see him move down here.

It is a cousin to the Free State Project and the Redoubt Movement.

Free State Project
https://www.fsp.org/free-state-project-triggers-the-move-libertarians-new-hampshire/
American Redoubt
http://survivalblog.com/redoubt/
Ozark Refugium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdKxMXkWbG4

So I saw this video post up in my feed

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJBjD8SaJlw

I was curious enough to see if it was genuine, yup here it is
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control



I can't overstate how big of a deal I personally believe this action to be. If the Virginia politicians are ignorant enough to do that, well............. oh my.






Completely off topic, somewhat...
If anyone out there has "teenage years to young adults" this is a series that might appeal to them. I stumbled across this book series while actually looking for a civil war series but the books had the same name "the last full measure" and came across this at my library. I read all 3 books because it was interesting enough of a concept and believable to hold my attention and I like the genre. It's a 3 book series written a few years ago about a near future civil war. The plot of the book is frighteningly similar to what is going on in this country right now
Here is book 1 of the series
https://www.amazon.com/Divided-We-Fall-Book/dp/0545543681

TRex2 wrote:

You may be right TRex, any time the far left socialist demonrates of America take over, every state is doomed, no matter what state you live in.

Out here in the midwest, we are paying less and less attention to what the federales want us to do. As a far less than perfect example, one town out here, when told to remove the Nativity scene from the court house lawn, told the Lefties "come and take it."

The real deal is that there are areas, like AR, where the population is largely rightwing, and low enough that, if we can get enough guys like you and DTKA to join us, we be an independent free state, when the Winds of War bring the day of Reckonning to the rest of the country. That is one reason I keep telling DTKA that I would be glad to see him move down here.

It is a cousin to the Free State Project and the Redoubt Movement.

Free State Project
https://www.fsp.org/free-state-project-triggers-the-move-libertarians-new-hampshire/
American Redoubt
http://survivalblog.com/redoubt/
Ozark Refugium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdKxMXkWbG4

Thanks Trex, with every passing day my desire to move to a better state increases.

There are many others like me that are trapped behind enemy lines.
Here is a verbatim quote from the governor of NY Andrew Cuomo "anyone who is pro-traditional marriage, pro-life or pro-guns – they “have no place in the state of New York“

I badly want to move to a state that will just let us live our lives and not lecture us. I want to move somewhere that the local sheriff, governor, attorney general will all tell the feds to pound sand over unconstitutional or invasive laws.

I just want to live my life, raise my family, go to work and be a good member of society, be a good friend and neighbor.  I'm a regular boring guy, I could be anyone, I work a desk job for crying out loud lol

Let us hope the Officers of the Guard remember their oath is to the Constitution, not to their governor. I find it interesting the speaker referenced General Gage, as I did a few days ago, when I heard about the new Demoncrats and their actions.

I find it interesting that the next video that came up, when that one ended, was discussing sanctuary counties, and said that it is mostly a "ceremonial" (not the word I would use) but necessary step. This is a close parallel to the "Committees of Correspondence" days before The Revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl2rlnoaCZQ

There is a lot of well reasoned anger out there

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo3_ie_Cr94

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:There is a lot of well reasoned anger out there
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo3_ie_Cr94

On the one hand, I am glad to see that there is a lot of resistance to this Socialist incursion, but I have to wonder why he hasn't already moved out of that state. (At the 3 min point, he said he was thinking about it.) I would have been looking at real estate in other states, and looking for a job transfer, the day after the last election. A lot of people are saying Virginia is likely to be the start of the next civil war, and I have said, for the past half dozen years that the best strategy for defending against hostile gun fire is to be somewhere else.

“When a government mistrusts it’s citizens with guns, it is sending a clear message. It no longer trusts its citizens because such a government has evil plans.”

-George Washington

At the 5:30 point, concern about civil war is mentioned

Yes ReadyMom, civil unrest is coming sooner than we think. Sending in the Virginia national guard to enforce gun control, if they do that, my prediction is people will die, no doubt about it:


https://politifeed.net/news/virginia-democrats-threaten-to-call-in-national-guard-to-enforce-new-gun-control-laws

ReadyMom wrote:

The really interesting part, is that the VA national guard is made up of Virginians who live in the local communities. They tend to be more conservative and pro gun than an average citizen is.

For anyone who doesn't know, the national guard has a dual chain of command. They typically report to their state governor and adjuant general. However, they can be activated to federal duty at which point the president is their commander and chief. I think many are also law enforcement officers in their civilian careers so I'm not sure how motived they would be to go and arrest their civilian colleagues.

I really don't see the national guard actually following through on this l. All president Trump would need to do is federalize them and give them orders to stand down.

Not to mention, the officers of the Nat Guard have sworn an oath to defend, not the governor, not the people, not even the president, but the Constitution. To order them to enforce an unconstitutional law would be an unlawful order, and many would refuse the order.

I recall that around 2014, about a third of the officer corps in the Army had made statements, generally off the record, that if there were a civil war, they would have had to fight against Washington. To actually make such a statement requires some boldness.

TRex2 wrote:Not to mention, the officers of the Nat Guard have sworn an oath to defend, not the governor, not the people, not even the president, but the Constitution. To order them to enforce an unconstitutional law would be an unlawful order, and many would refuse the order.

I recall that around 2014, about a third of the officer corps in the Army had made statements, generally off the record, that if there were a civil war, they would have had to fight against Washington. To actually make such a statement requires some boldness.

I think of all the branches the national guard is the least likely to engage against citizens. They live amongst us in our communities all over and in every state. They live here too in regular (non military towns) as our friends, family, neighbors and civilian co workers.

Yes, General Gage might want to rethink his position.

wikipedia wrote:In November 1775, Washington sent the 25-year-old bookseller-turned-soldier Henry Knox to bring to Boston the heavy artillery that had been captured at Fort Ticonderoga. In a technically complex and demanding operation, Knox brought many cannons to the Boston area by January 1776. In March 1776, these artillery fortified Dorchester Heights (which overlooked Boston and its harbor), thereby threatening the British supply lifeline. The British commander William Howe saw the British position as indefensible and withdrew the British forces in Boston to the British stronghold at Halifax, Nova Scotia, on March 17.

As a refresher in History, those cannon formerly belonged to General Gage, whom General Howe replaced after Lexington and Concord. It was Howe that defeated the Patriots at Breeds Hill, in order to secure Boston. Obviously that didn't work out as planned.

And so it begins:

It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/it-begins-virginia-forms-active-militia-to-protect-sheriffs-citizens-from-unconstitutional-laws/

Dec 16, 2019

(SNIP) ... Well, looks like Tazewell County isn’t going down without a fight. On top of calling themselves a second amendment sanctuary county, they’re also crafting a militia as well.

(SNIP) ... Just this past Tuesday, on December 10th, the Board of Supervisors from Tazewell County passed two different resolutions in light of controversy circling those who are pro-gun. The first resolution declared the county to be a second amendment sanctuary.

(SNIP) ... The second item on the agenda was the proposition of establishing a militia in the county.

Virginians may be the ones to do what happened on April 18, 1775:


https://www.history.com/news/what-was-the-shot-heard-round-the-world

rick1 wrote:Virginians may be the ones to do what happened on April 18, 1775:
https://www.history.com/news/what-was-the-shot-heard-round-the-world

They seem to understand what the militia is all about and are willing to stand up.

I suggest other places do the same, but I doubt anyone believes it will happen to them.
Until it does.

TRex2 wrote:

rick1 wrote:Virginians may be the ones to do what happened on April 18, 1775:
https://www.history.com/news/what-was-the-shot-heard-round-the-world

They seem to understand what the militia is all about and are willing to stand up.

I suggest other places do the same, but I doubt anyone believes it will happen to them.
Until it does.

Funny you should say that.. I was talking to a couple of gentlemen at the store a few days ago and their take on this was... #1- This may be fake news because things like this just doesn't happen now days and #2- Those people voted them in office and its their fault. If they don't like it they should vote them out ... He wasn't going to worry about it....

It amazes me that people are willing to just roll over let the government do what they want.

Dave58 wrote:Funny you should say that.. I was talking to a couple of gentlemen at the store a few days ago and their take on this was... #1- This may be fake news because things like this just doesn't happen now days and #2- Those people voted them in office and its their fault. If they don't like it they should vote them out ... He wasn't going to worry about it....

It amazes me that people are willing to just roll over let the government do what they want.

Number one tells me they do not know the signs of the times,
and Number two tells me they do not know how government or elections work,
nor do they understand what the Constitution says.

Sadly, there are many like them, who would flunk a civics class, if I taught it.

This doesn't sound good:  

Virginia officials: We're enforcing new gun laws, like it or not. Police: Umm - who exactly is 'we'?
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-officials-were-enforcing-new-gun-laws-like-it-or-not-police-umm-who-exactly-is-we/

SNIP: In Culpeper County, Sheriff Scott Jenkins made a public statement that he would “screen and deputize thousands of law-abiding citizens to protect their constitutional right to own firearms.”

Sheriff Jenkins thanked the Culpeper County Board of Supervisors for declaring their intention to defend their rights.  Further, he said:
“Every Sheriff and Commonwealth Attorney in Virginia will see the consequences if our General Assembly passes further unnecessary gun restrictions.

The crackpot governor of Virginia has started phase 2 for his new gun control laws. He has given the corrections departments an additional a quarter million dollars to expand room for arrests that will be made during his gun control plan.

I can see deaths coming from this on both sides and even Virginia civil unrest:


https://www.independentsentinel.com/blackface-gov-northam-plans-to-arrest-legal-gun-owners-has-a-budget-for-it/

ReadyMom wrote:This doesn't sound good:  

Virginia officials: We're enforcing new gun laws, like it or not. Police: Umm - who exactly is 'we'?
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-officials-were-enforcing-new-gun-laws-like-it-or-not-police-umm-who-exactly-is-we/

Actually this, the standing up of a militia, and sancuary counties are the best news coming out of Virginia. It means that someone is standing up for the Constitution, there, and not just telling the Leftists that we will willingly be led into slavery.

rick1 wrote:...
I can see deaths coming from this on both sides and even Virginia civil unrest:
...

A few relevant quotes to remember:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -- Thomas Jefferson

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.” Patrick Henry

“The wisest thing in the world is to cry out before you are hurt. It is no good to cry out after you are hurt; especially after you are mortally hurt. People talk about the impatience of the populace; but sound historians know that most tyrannies have been possible because men moved too late. it is often essential to resist a tyranny before it exists. It is no answer to say, with a distant optimism, that the scheme is only in the air. A blow from a hatchet can only be parried while it is in the air.”
(1922) by Gilbert Keith Chesterton, Eugenics and Other Evils

When you sit down to negotiate on what you already have, you lose. —REP. MARIE PARENTE

“And what countries can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” Thomas Jefferson

Edmund Burke: “The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.” – 1784 speech. Taken from Founding Fathers Notes.

"The unarmed man is not just defenseless -- he is also contemptible." Machiavelli

I just sent an email to keebler, since he lives in Virginia, to see what he's been hearing from the people around him on gun control and where they stand. Hopefully he'll give us some first hand knowledge on the issue.

ReadyMom wrote:The USMCA, Virginia & Possible Deployment of UN Troops Against Gun Owners
https://gunsinthenews.com/the-usmca-virginia-possible-deployment-of-un-troops-against-gun-owners/

ReadyMom, if the article is true, sounds like President Harry S. Truman sold our constitution and bill of rights to the highest bidder.

ReadyMom wrote:The USMCA, Virginia & Possible Deployment of UN Troops Against Gun Owners
https://gunsinthenews.com/the-usmca-virginia-possible-deployment-of-un-troops-against-gun-owners/

I began reading the article with a great deal of interest.
Then I realized the logic flaw.

The US has veto power in the U.N. Security council.
They can do nothing without approval of the US President.

TRex2 wrote:

ReadyMom wrote:The USMCA, Virginia & Possible Deployment of UN Troops Against Gun Owners
https://gunsinthenews.com/the-usmca-virginia-possible-deployment-of-un-troops-against-gun-owners/

I began reading the article with a great deal of interest.
Then I realized the logic flaw.

The US has veto power in the U.N. Security council.
They can do nothing without approval of the US President.

Until we get another president who wants to make America fundamentally transformed again....

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:

TRex2 wrote:

ReadyMom wrote:The USMCA, Virginia & Possible Deployment of UN Troops Against Gun Owners
https://gunsinthenews.com/the-usmca-virginia-possible-deployment-of-un-troops-against-gun-owners/

I began reading the article with a great deal of interest.
Then I realized the logic flaw.

The US has veto power in the U.N. Security council.
They can do nothing without approval of the US President.

Until we get another president who wants to make America fundamentally transformed again....

Well at that point, America is dead, anyway. The only question America needs to answer, at that point, is: do we go down fighting, or be lead off into slavery, by the Left.

Fox news reported last night, that if you own a semi-auto or an AR-15, they will be grandfathered in. But, you will be required to register them with the state.

Is the Virginia government beginning to get cold feet. I expect them to even drop the registration part in the future.

It hasn't been 24 hours since Joe Biden picked Kamala Harris to run as vice president and she's already running her mouth about mandatory gun buyback, nothing less than mandatory confiscation of AR style weapons. She said if congress can't pass a bill to outlaw them in the first 100 days her and Biden are in office, they will sign an executive order to do so. Now that's a joke.

I'm glad I sold all of my AR style weapons yesterday.

Here's here thought on it a few months ago:


https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/08/12/flashback-kamala-harris-called-mandatory-gun-buyback-confiscation-a-good-idea/

But, you will be required to register them with the state.

Just a ruse, so they will know where to go, to confiscate them.

Kamala Harris to run as vice president and she's already running her mouth about mandatory gun buyback, nothing less than mandatory confiscation of AR style weapons. She said if congress can't pass a bill to outlaw them in the first 100 days her and Biden are in office, they will sign an executive order to do so.

Love how they call it a "buy back" when they buy back something with money they took from you at gunpoint.

I stand by my previous statement (in the interest of grammar, I reworded it):
"The only question America needs to answer, at that point, is: do we go down fighting or, let the Left lead us into slavery."

Other threats by Kangaroo  Harris on gun control, limiting the number of guns a person can own, banning the castle doctrine, etc.:


https://patriotgunnews.com/2020/08/13/kamala-harris-takes-aim-at-gun-owners/

The constitution doesn't make any mention of guns being a right for hunting.  None.  Nada.

Don't let the left obfuscate the facts and link the 2a only to hunting and hunting guns. That's their next play. They'll say things like "no one needs this scary looking rifle only designed to kill". "But don't worry we're not coming for your hunting rifle we support your right and tradition of hunting. "

As soon as the black rifles are gone, they would call hunting rifles sniper rifles and ban them too.


The constitution was about allowing civilian citizens the ability to own an bear military comparable rifles for self or community defense against foreign and domestic threats.  Make no mistake that is it's purpose.  I think we should proudly make this connection as well to prevent the left from distorting the facts as usual.

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:The constitution doesn't make any mention of guns being a right for hunting.  None.  Nada.

Don't let the left obfuscate the facts and link the 2a only to hunting and hunting guns. That's their next play. They'll say things like "no one needs this scary looking rifle only designed to kill". "But don't worry we're not coming for your hunting rifle we support your right and tradition of hunting. "

As soon as the black rifles are gone, they would call hunting rifles sniper rifles and ban them too.


The constitution was about allowing civilian citizens the ability to own an bear military comparable rifles for self or community defense against foreign and domestic threats.  Make no mistake that is it's purpose.  I think we should proudly make this connection as well to prevent the left from distorting the facts as usual.

Well I agree with what you say Drink, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear a dozen cases on the ownership of AR style weapons, why I say, because I believe they are letting it up to each state. And many states have banned the ownership, have banned high capacity magazines or have banned the sale of the weapons.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/16/supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-second-amendment-cases/

I can honestly tell you that I haven't owned a AR style weapon. I have spent a lot of time carrying one so I don't have a problem with anybody owning one.

With gun control being one of the main concerns with the new kids that should let us know which direction they are headed..

I think we should vote accordingly

rick1 wrote:

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:The constitution doesn't make any mention of guns being a right for hunting.  None.  Nada.

Don't let the left obfuscate the facts and link the 2a only to hunting and hunting guns. That's their next play. They'll say things like "no one needs this scary looking rifle only designed to kill". "But don't worry we're not coming for your hunting rifle we support your right and tradition of hunting. "

As soon as the black rifles are gone, they would call hunting rifles sniper rifles and ban them too.


The constitution was about allowing civilian citizens the ability to own an bear military comparable rifles for self or community defense against foreign and domestic threats.  Make no mistake that is it's purpose.  I think we should proudly make this connection as well to prevent the left from distorting the facts as usual.

Well I agree with what you say Drink, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear a dozen cases on the ownership of AR style weapons, why I say, because I believe they are letting it up to each state. And many states have banned the ownership, have banned high capacity magazines or have banned the sale of the weapons.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/16/supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-second-amendment-cases/

Oh I'm aware.

I live in one of those states.


What NY does, anytime someone gets busted for something that is in violation of the "NY safe act" the DA typically reduces the charge in a plea bargain.

The law is unconstitutional but it's really never been tested or sent to the supreme court. Every one who gets jammed up under it typically takes the plea bargain so they don't risk being a felon. Typically the cases are pled to a misdemeanor or violation depending on what it originally was.

The only thing so far to be struck down by the circuit courts was NY had a 7 bullet limit in their law. That was ruled being too arbitrary and it was revised to the previous 10 Rd limit for everything.

(If the gun was part of another illegal act like drug dealing or burglary obviously the above doesn't apply, I'm strictly talking about a guy minding his business getting caught with something that NY doesn't want them to have).

A youtube video of what the demonrats plan on doing for their gun control agenda:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNPWNP6uc_Q

Here's a U.S. map of states/counties/townships that are a 2nd amendment sanctuary area. According to what I have read about the sanctuary, these areas do not have to abide by any federal law on gun regulations, but I don't believe it. Just click on your state and see if where you reside is on the list:

https://sanctuarycounties.com/2020/03/04/updated-map-of-american-second-amendment-sanctuary-counties-3-4-2020/