Medical-Vaccines, Trials & Other Treatments

TRex2 wrote:

ReadyMom wrote:...
(SNIP) ... Speaking earlier at the conference, Marks said that three-month estimates for a coronavirus vaccine to enter human trials may be too aggressive.
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There are risks associated with any vaccine, and despite the dangers this virus presents, we don't want to make it worse by using a vaccine that might start it into mutations.

This has been a problem with using flu vaccines in swine and bird populations, the flu simply mutates to get around the vaccine.  

Add in the rapid spread of a variant COVID (B.1.1.7) across the UK (and around the globe) - which has been blamed on a sharp rise in hospitalizations - and there is a strong sentiment to abandon the 2-dose regimen for now, and give as many people one shot as possible.

The 4 UK Chief Medical Officers agree with the JCVI that at this stage of the pandemic prioritising the first doses of vaccine for as many people as possible on the priority list will protect the greatest number of at risk people overall in the shortest possible time and will have the greatest impact on reducing mortality, severe disease and hospitalisations and in protecting the NHS and equivalent health services. Operationally this will mean that second doses of both vaccines will be administered towards the end of the recommended vaccine dosing schedule of 12 weeks. This will maximise the number of people getting vaccine and therefore receiving protection in the next 12 weeks.

rick1 wrote:My daughter, who works in health care, had to get the covid vaccine to keep her job. Well, after she got the shot, her arm swelled up (a bid lump, the size of a soft ball formed on the area where they stuck her with the needle), she got a fever, headache and chills. I guess these are all the normal side affects of the shot.

I'm scheduled to get the shot this Thursday at the VA, hope to survive.

They call it covid arm:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cases-covid-arm-following-vaccination-documented-dermatologists

Dave58 wrote:

rick1 wrote:My daughter, who works in health care, had to get the covid vaccine to keep her job. Well, after she got the shot, her arm swelled up (a bid lump, the size of a soft ball formed on the area where they stuck her with the needle), she got a fever, headache and chills. I guess these are all the normal side affects of the shot.

I'm scheduled to get the shot this Thursday at the VA, hope to survive.

They call it covid arm:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cases-covid-arm-following-vaccination-documented-dermatologists

Both my parents got the first shot (they are in their 80's) with no problem.. They are sch. to get the second in a week or so..

My wife and I are not going to get ours any time soon just to many unknowns right now..

Good luck Rick   Let us know how it goes

rick1 wrote: The VA told me to make extra copies. I asked why, they said that they were told that in the near future that if you plan on using any public transportation, international or interstate travel, you will be required to carry the card in order to board a plane, train, bus, etc..

Talk about wanting control of a person life.

ReadyMom wrote:

rick1 wrote: The VA told me to make extra copies. I asked why, they said that they were told that in the near future that if you plan on using any public transportation, international or interstate travel, you will be required to carry the card in order to board a plane, train, bus, etc..

Talk about wanting control of a person life.

    I have NO plans to get the vaccine.

rick1 wrote:OK, the current vaccines for the covid-19 may not be effective for the South African version of covid.

Moderna has developed  another vaccine that's ready for human testing, hopefully, it will take care of this new strain of covid, that is more catchy then the original covid from china.

Man, what's next, having to wear a patch with the vaccine for the rest of our lives;

https://www.wsj.com/articles/moderna-says-covid-19-vaccine-for-south-africa-strain-is-ready-for-human-testing-11614201000

Dave58 wrote:

rick1 wrote:OK, the current vaccines for the covid-19 may not be effective for the South African version of covid.

Moderna has developed  another vaccine that's ready for human testing, hopefully, it will take care of this new strain of covid, that is more catchy then the original covid from china.

Man, what's next, having to wear a patch with the vaccine for the rest of our lives;

https://www.wsj.com/articles/moderna-says-covid-19-vaccine-for-south-africa-strain-is-ready-for-human-testing-11614201000

Eat healthy foods, take vitamins get your immune system pumped up...

I just don't trust their vaccine yet

rick1 wrote:Dave, the older you get the shorter your immune system gets, and vitamins don't do the whole immune system upgrade. Although I do take V-C and V-D.

ReadyMom, it's not worth fighting over a shot. BUT, once the vaccine is out of the emergency issue and totally approved, you'll have to get it. Sleepy Joe has some things he's going to take away from people who refuse to get it, you know, drivers license, license plates, interstate/international travel, etc., these are privileges not rights, according to him.

God save the king.

Dave58 wrote:

rick1 wrote:Dave, the older you get the shorter your immune system gets, and vitamins don't do the whole immune system upgrade. Although I do take V-C and V-D.

ReadyMom, it's not worth fighting over a shot. BUT, once the vaccine is out of the emergency issue and totally approved, you'll have to get it. Sleepy Joe has some things he's going to take away from people who refuse to get it, you know, drivers license, license plates, interstate/international travel, etc., these are privileges not rights, according to him.

God save the king.

We take Vitamin  A,D,C, Zink, Centrum Silver, Elderberry, B-12 and Turmeric

rick1 wrote:

Dave58 wrote:

rick1 wrote:Dave, the older you get the shorter your immune system gets, and vitamins don't do the whole immune system upgrade. Although I do take V-C and V-D.

ReadyMom, it's not worth fighting over a shot. BUT, once the vaccine is out of the emergency issue and totally approved, you'll have to get it. Sleepy Joe has some things he's going to take away from people who refuse to get it, you know, drivers license, license plates, interstate/international travel, etc., these are privileges not rights, according to him.

God save the king.

We take Vitamin  A,D,C, Zink, Centrum Silver, Elderberry, B-12 and Turmeric

Holy heck Dave, that's a meal in it self.

Dave58 wrote:...
Eat healthy foods, take vitamins get your immune system pumped up...
I just don't trust their vaccine yet

ReadyMom wrote:Agree with you Dave. Hubby & I are at total ends of the spectrum with this and lots of arguments happening in our house, right now.

rick1 wrote:Russia spreading disinformation on the U.S. vaccines:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/07/politics/russian-disinformation-pfizer-vaccines/index.html

rick1 wrote:OK, I got my 2nd shot of maderna covid vaccine yesterday, at the VA.

Well, I woke up at about 3 a.m. this morning, covered in sweat, chills, fever, sore arm, etc.. Every side affect you can imagine, I got. I'm feeling a little better now, but man, I thought I had a bad case of the flu or worse.

rick1 wrote:1st know baby born in Florida with covid antibodies after mother had covid vaccine:

https://fox59.com/news/coronavirus/doctors-florida-woman-gives-birth-to-1st-known-baby-with-covid-19-antibodies/

rick1 wrote:Johnson & Johnson puts a pause on using their vaccine over blood clots:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-johnson-johnson-va-idUSKBN2C01BC

Blondie wrote:

Blood clots seem to affect women of child bearing age who may or may not be on the pill.

rick1 wrote:Does the covid vaccine really work. I don't think they even know.
Now, if you got the phizer vaccine, they say you need a booster shot at 12 months.
If that isn't enough, they say you may have to get vaccinated every year.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-vaccine-dose-likely-needed-within-12-months.html

ReadyMom wrote:

Blondie wrote:
Blood clots seem to affect women of child bearing age who may or may not be on the pill.

That's not the only demographic, for women:
Women say they are having heavier and more painful PERIODS since getting their COVID-19 vaccines - as several claim it has also messed up their monthly cycle
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9446907/Some-women-report-heavier-painful-PERIODS-getting-COVID-19-vaccine.html

TRex2 wrote:

rick1 wrote:Does the covid vaccine really work. I don't think they even know.
Now, if you got the phizer vaccine, they say you need a booster shot at 12 months.
If that isn't enough, they say you may have to get vaccinated every year.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-vaccine-dose-likely-needed-within-12-months.html

Don't read too much into what "they" are saying. (I would say not to listen at all.) No one has looked at people who got the vaccine 12+ months ago to see if they need a booster, or are having side effects, because: There Is No Data To Look At.

If these guys are talking to us, they are talking though their hats.  More than likely, they were discussing strategy, in case they needed to do the boosters, and someone took their comments out of context.  

TRex2 wrote:

ReadyMom wrote:

Blondie wrote:
Blood clots seem to affect women of child bearing age who may or may not be on the pill.

That's not the only demographic, for women:
Women say they are having heavier and more painful PERIODS since getting their COVID-19 vaccines - as several claim it has also messed up their monthly cycle
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9446907/Some-women-report-heavier-painful-PERIODS-getting-COVID-19-vaccine.html

Still too early to tell what lies down the road, but from what I have seen, any lasting side effects this vaccine gives, the virus would also give, but worse.

So Far.
No one really knows what is further down the road.

ReadyMom wrote:...
What's worse than loosing a baby through miscarriage after being vaccinated and carrying that guilt for the rest of your life, knowing it's a POSSIBLE side effect? Just loosing a baby is bad enough. I had a miscarriage for unknown reasons and to this day, I replay what I could have done to cause it to happen.

I've been following an instagram account where women are documenting their cycles AFTER receiving the vax and the stories are frightening.

Read another story about a 2 yr old that was recently given the vax, in the tests for the kids ... child developed blood clots and died hours later  .

rick1 wrote:

Dave58 wrote:

rick1 wrote:My daughter, who works in health care, had to get the covid vaccine to keep her job. Well, after she got the shot, her arm swelled up (a bid lump, the size of a soft ball formed on the area where they stuck her with the needle), she got a fever, headache and chills. I guess these are all the normal side affects of the shot.

I'm scheduled to get the shot this Thursday at the VA, hope to survive.

They call it covid arm:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cases-covid-arm-following-vaccination-documented-dermatologists

Both my parents got the first shot (they are in their 80's) with no problem.. They are sch. to get the second in a week or so..

My wife and I are not going to get ours any time soon just to many unknowns right now..

Good luck Rick   Let us know how it goes

OK, got my lst shot of Moderna covid vaccine yesterday at 8 a.m. at the VA, get my 2nd shot March 11th.

So far no adverse reaction to the shot, no side effects, etc., so far.

The VA gave me a 5 page summary of the covid shot and below the heading, it stated, "There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to prevent covid-19. The Moderna covid-19 vaccine may not protect everyone."

They gave me a certification card, with the date, lot number, who gave the shot, and saying I got the 1st shot and will certify the 2nd shot once I get it. The VA told me to make extra copies. I asked why, they said that they were told that in the near future that if you plan on using any public transportation, international or interstate travel, you will be required to carry the card in order to board a plane, train, bus, etc..

Talk about wanting control of a person life.

dmwalsh568 wrote:I'm not going to even pretend to be a doctor, but I just want folks to be careful when they don't consult a medical professional before taking medications not specifically made for human consumption.

Not sure if folks remember the man who died and how his wife ended up in the hospital from taking medicine for their fish....

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-chloroquine-self-medication-kills-man.html

And yes, I have stored fish antibiotics for use in a serious crisis, but they are the same as human medicine. And I won't even consider using them until the medical system completely breaks down, since I'd much rather have a doctor's opinion and some lab tests done before taking ANYTHING.

Dave58 wrote:

dmwalsh568 wrote:I'm not going to even pretend to be a doctor, but I just want folks to be careful when they don't consult a medical professional before taking medications not specifically made for human consumption.

Not sure if folks remember the man who died and how his wife ended up in the hospital from taking medicine for their fish....

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-chloroquine-self-medication-kills-man.html

And yes, I have stored fish antibiotics for use in a serious crisis, but they are the same as human medicine. And I won't even consider using them until the medical system completely breaks down, since I'd much rather have a doctor's opinion and some lab tests done before taking ANYTHING.

I agree with you , but unfortunately the CDC says one thing the WHO says another then Biden and different governors all put their 2 cents in so now its a crap shoot..

dmwalsh568 wrote:I'm not going to even pretend to be a doctor, but I just want folks to be careful when they don't consult a medical professional before taking medications not specifically made for human consumption.

Not sure if folks remember the man who died and how his wife ended up in the hospital from taking medicine for their fish....

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-chloroquine-self-medication-kills-man.html

And yes, I have stored fish antibiotics for use in a serious crisis, but they are the same as human medicine. And I won't even consider using them until the medical system completely breaks down, since I'd much rather have a doctor's opinion and some lab tests done before taking ANYTHING.

Dave58 wrote:

dmwalsh568 wrote:And yes, I have stored fish antibiotics for use in a serious crisis, but they are the same as human medicine. And I won't even consider using them until the medical system completely breaks down, since I'd much rather have a doctor's opinion and some lab tests done before taking ANYTHING.

I agree with you , but unfortunately the CDC says one thing the WHO says another then Biden and different governors all put their 2 cents in so now its a crap shoot..

Dave58 wrote:And here we go......

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nc-hospital-system-fires-about-175-workers-in-one-of-the-largest-ever-mass-terminations-due-to-a-vaccine-mandate/ar-AAOUXBa

Drugmaker Merck said Friday that its experimental COVID-19 pill reduced hospitalizations and deaths by half in people recently infected with the coronavirus and that it would soon ask health officials in the U.S. and around the world to authorize its use.

If cleared, the drug would be the first pill shown to treat COVID-19, ...

ReadyMom wrote:Merck Says Experimental Pill Cuts Worst Effects Of COVID-19
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/merck-covid-pill-coronavirus-molnupiravir_n_61570359e4b0487c855e0331

Drugmaker Merck said Friday that its experimental COVID-19 pill reduced hospitalizations and deaths by half in people recently infected with the coronavirus and that it would soon ask health officials in the U.S. and around the world to authorize its use.

If cleared, the drug would be the first pill shown to treat COVID-19, ...

In a 13-to-10 vote, advisers for the Food and Drug Administration narrowly supported authorizing Merck's Thor-inspired antiviral pill molnupiravir for use against severe COVID-19.

The FDA's panel of advisers—the Antimicrobial Drugs Advisory Committee (AMDAC)—struggled in an all-day meeting Tuesday to weigh the drug's risks, its modest benefits, and the limited available data. The latest analysis suggests that the pill is only 30 percent effective at preventing hospitalization and death from COVID-19 in people at high risk of severe disease. Meanwhile, the drug has the worrisome potential to cause mutations, leading advisers to agonize over whether it should be offered to pregnant people.

At the time, Merck and its partner, Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, had put out a press release trumpeting that the antiviral pill appeared to cut the risk of hospitalization and death from COVID-19 by about 50 percent in infected people at risk of severe disease. The result came from an interim analysis involving 762 people who were followed for about a month after testing positive. In the placebo group, Merck reported that 53 of 377 people were hospitalized with COVID-19, and eight died. Among 386 people who received the drug, only 28 were hospitalized, and none of those patients died. Comparing the two groups, the rate of hospitalization and death in the placebo group was 14.1 percent versus only 7.3 percent in the molnupiravir group.

But since that analysis, Merck collected data from an additional 646 people—and in this batch of people, the benefit of molnupiravir disappeared. Of 322 people in the placebo group, 15 were hospitalized and one died. That is, the rate of hospitalization and death was about 4.7 percent with a placebo. Of 324 people who received molnupiravir, 20 were hospitalized and one died. That's a rate of hospitalization and death of 6.2 percent, which is slightly higher than the rate in the placebo group.