Civil War, Is it coming?

by oldasrocks Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:59 pm

How do you feel about the possibility of Civil War in the next few years? Surveys show that 56% of Americans think we will soon have a civil war.

If we do it will be a mess from day 1. There are no dividing lines like North/ South in the 1st one. No one will be wearing uniforms. No real military management. Who do you shoot? Who do you align with?

Now add to this a number of countries who will probably take advantage of the situation. Mexicans streaming in. Chinas, Russia and God knows else. Muzzies breaking out of their sleeper cells. Cities will implode with no one coming out the winner. Will the military obey orders or run home to protect their families?

Probably a dozen other scenarios I haven't even thought of.

by rick1 Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:52 am

Well OAR, this is what I think:

Between the bias media, bias politicians, the new anti semitic politicians, the new socialist politicians, the identity politicians, current technology, etc..

Oh, lets not forget the POLITICAL COUP D'ETAT that is now going on among a group of politicians, YES, something big is going to happen and sooner than later. Shocked

OAR, if my memory serves me right from the old APN days, you are a little older than me, so you remember the 1960 riots in Watts, LA, Baltimore, Chicago, etc., that didn't go over too well, many died. And lets not forget the killings by the Nat'l Guard at Kent state.

What is going on in Venezuela will be a sunday school picnic compared to what is going to happen here in the U.S..

by TRex2 Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:40 am

For the most part, I agree with both of you,
but on the following two points:

How do you feel about the possibility of Civil War in the next few years? Surveys show that 56% of Americans think we will soon have a civil war.

I wonder where you got that survey data, as I don't think the public at large has any idea at all what is going to happen to them, else they would be getting ready for it.

If we do it will be a mess from day 1. There are no dividing lines like North/ South in the 1st one. No one will be wearing uniforms. No real military management. Who do you shoot? Who do you align with?

I don't think it will start all at once, but like a dam breaking, once it starts to go, I don't think there will be any stopping it, until the whole mess is done.

by Dave58 Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:00 pm

I think the possibility of a civil war in the future is a very real thing.. After all the kids are being taught that to disrespect the Prez. no matter who is in office is the thing to do it makes them look cool. They are being taught that the folks in office are there just to fight with each other and not try to work with each other to figure things out.

I read somewhere that if you wanted to take over another country without firing a shot you start with reeducation of the youth and I think that is happening now in our schools.

I had to reassure my granddaughter guns were not a evil thing even though her teacher had told the class that they were evil and dangerous and should not be in homes. They were just for the military and police..

When the civil war starts I think it will go very fast and be over with pretty quick. Modern day kids are taught not to think for themselves and when the cell phones dry up they will be pretty lost. They won't know how to grow things and feed themselves they won't know what plants are good for medicine. When that happens the Old Guard ( that would be folks like us) will have to teach the kids.

Sorry I'm not trying to be a doomsayer.. My wife has always accused me of just seeing things in black &white I don't really believe in a gray area

Sigh maybe I'm just getting old

by oldasrocks Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:34 pm

Survey was on Fox news. I don't know who took the survey or who was questioned.

I agree with you Dave. Kids can't find their rear end without the phone to show them where it is. This "re education" has been ongoing for close to 40 yrs and maybe more. Very few know how to cook much less how to skin a rabbit.

Once the gas supplies dry up we rural folks will be safer. If we are lucky this will happen in the winter but am afraid the cities will boil over some summer day. People will try to leave the cities which means the Interstates will soon be a clogged mess. A good thing.

You have 3 options. Share food until you are out too. 2. Shoot all comers till you run out of bullets and are overrun. 3. Hide until it blows over. I opt for the 3rd option. I have no desire to shoot anyone and I'm not going to share.

by Dave58 Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:15 pm

I would have to go with option #3 I hate to think that I would need to shoot somebody just because they were hungry...

I think when the time comes we will try and portray the starving old couple and see how that plays out , but in the end we will do what we have to... We only have 3 or 4 neighbors but they are Viet-Nam vets and we all get along well..

by oldasrocks Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:42 pm

Sounds like you have backup. We don't.

I have signs printed up that say QUARANTINE to use. I think they will work better than Keep Out signs.

by Drinkthekoolaid Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:38 pm

I unfortunately think the likelihood of civil war 2 increases by the day.

I have been interested in history lately and have been reading civil war history. I would draw a loose comparison that we are somewhere now in current America in a similar state to "bleeding Kansas" or 1859-1860.

I think we are close. The 2020 and 2022 elections are going to be very telling as a barometer on civil unrest.

We have 2 very different political groups in modern day America. We can't even decide if we should have sovereign borders, if infantacide is ok or not, if we should be socialist or capitalist. We disagree on very basic issues. We now lack a common shared culture and shared goals, ideals and vision of what we want the country to be.

There is no stop political anger and attacking based solely on party affiliation. The left has already attacked the right with violence. Everyone remembers the 2016 campaign rally fights in San Jose or Berkeley but everyone (or most people) forgot the leftist whacko who shot the republican congress baseball team.

When it happens there will be multiple competing factions. It will be ugly and nasty. Civil war 1 was relatively neat and tidy with clear lines, uniforms And even a code of chivilary. Civil war 2 will have none of that.

If it gets bad enough....
Our economy will be in ruins. Supply chains in shambles. The electric grid down. Interrupted utilities and medical services. Etc. It will be bad.

It will be left vs right. Urban vs rural. Socialist vs capitalist. In some cases opportunists on both sides will use the conflict to settle perceived racial or religious Injustices against those they don't like.

Who knows how the foreign influence will shake out. Our allies and enemies will perhaps get involved for their own interests.

It will be a massive asymmetrical and unpredictable conflict. It will make the Balkan conflicts look like
A camping weekend.

Just my .02 cents

by oldasrocks Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:21 pm

The Progessives have attacked from every angle possible.

If you can buy a copy of -Death of a Nation-- and watch it. It will open you eyes to what is going on, why and how they are making it happen. Was available on Amazon for $15.

by **ReadyMom** Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:38 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
It will be left vs right. Urban vs rural. Socialist vs capitalist. In some cases opportunists on both sides will use the conflict to settle perceived racial or religious Injustices against those they don't like.

You forgot neighbor against neighbor. Folks can't even get along on Facebook. Everybody is 'unfriending' everyone! When we go out socially, you have to be careful what you say. Heck, my BIL & SIL live down in Texas, right on the border. Our views are SO different. To keep family peace, I keep quiet. I'm surprised it's been this civil, so far. But bubbles are getting bigger, popping a bit more.

by rick1 Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:49 am

I did some research and found this link, pretty good article. I like the sentence that states to turn off CNN and social media and roam the isles of walmart:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/the-second-us-civil-war/news-story/ec43b36de5f5f9f11e478a8fc71ea2dc

by oldasrocks Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:52 pm

Walk the aisles of Wally world and see all the leeches filling their carts to the brim and paying with food stamps. Whoops I mean EBT cards as we don't want to embarrass these poor folks who eat better than me, get their hair done and nails fixed and drive new cars.

by rick1 Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:21 pm

oldasrocks wrote:Walk the aisles of Wally world and see all the leeches filling their carts to the brim and paying with food stamps. Whoops I mean EBT cards as we don't want to embarrass these poor folks who eat better than me, get their hair done and nails fixed and drive new cars.

OAR, you must be getting old, you forgot the free cell phones the government gives them. Laugh Animated

by TRex2 Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:22 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:...

If it gets bad enough....
Our economy will be in ruins. Supply chains in shambles. The electric grid down. Interrupted utilities and medical services. Etc. It will be bad.

It will be left vs right. Urban vs rural. Socialist vs capitalist. In some cases opportunists on both sides will use the conflict to settle perceived racial or religious Injustices against those they don't like.

First word I kept inside the quoted area above is "if"
I don't think there will be any "if"

Who knows how the foreign influence will shake out. Our allies and enemies will perhaps get involved for their own interests.

It will be a massive asymmetrical and unpredictable conflict. It will make the Balkan conflicts look like A camping weekend.

Just my .02 cents

There will be, of course, foreign influence, from the outset.
Who do you think is running the Demoncrat Party right now?

After it gets underway, I expect other foreign powers to try to take advantage. My location isn't likely to see much conflict at the outset of hostilities, until foreign powers get involved. Most of my battle plans are based on fighting a foreign enemy, not our own people or government. (A battle plan is a battle plan, but you have to optimize for something.)

by **ReadyMom** Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:38 pm

You guys are scaring me ... Freak Face

Just sayin'.

by oldasrocks Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:14 pm

Come on down RM. I'll take good care of you.

BTW: How well can you run a shovel? Chicken house is getting deep.

by **ReadyMom** Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:33 pm

oldasrocks wrote:Come on down RM. I'll take good care of you.

BTW: How well can you run a shovel? Chicken house is getting deep.

I'll bring my kids (in their 20's now & strong. Plus I'm getting a new son-in-law in 6 weeks) Cool

They are used to being in deep $hi+ Laughing

by oldasrocks Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:51 pm

I'm allergic to children of all ages.

by oldasrocks Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:52 pm

Of course is one of them is a massage therapist I might reconsider.

by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:06 am

This is a pretty decent read that is worth a few minutes of your time

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/civil-war-in-the-usa-v2-0

by rick1 Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:35 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:This is a pretty decent read that is worth a few minutes of your time

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/civil-war-in-the-usa-v2-0

Good article, and if you look at it the way he describes a civil war then I agree, but I think the far left would disagree with it.

by TRex2 Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:35 pm

I have been saying "we aren't a nation" for some time now.

He does make a case that we aren't a country, but, I think we still have a country. Just barely. And only for a little while.

And when they do begin shooting at us, don't forget the old adage:
failure to prepare,
is preparing to fail.
(Yes, I know, it was plan, but hey, were preppers... )

by rick1 Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:56 pm

Here is another article about possible civil war from the washington post. Some of it makes sense and some doesn't:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-america-talk-turns-to-something-unspoken-for-150-years-civil-war/2019/02/28/b3733af8-3ae4-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html?utm_term=.f5869566912b

by TRex2 Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:07 pm

Interestingly, the article from the Halturner radio show website, and the one from Washington post were looking at the situation from opposite ends of the political spectrum. (The first showing that Demoncrats are dragging us into civil war, and the other basically blaming Trump, without mentioning his name, of course.)

And they come, mostly, to the same conclusion.

Edited to correct, the Wash Post story did name Trump, and quite a few times. (my mistake comes from a habit of reading the first paragraph, and then jumping about 2/3 of the way through, since most "news" articles are mostly fluff for the first 3/4 of their length.)

by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:15 pm

rick1 wrote:Here is another article about possible civil war from the washington post. Some of it makes sense and some doesn't:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-america-talk-turns-to-something-unspoken-for-150-years-civil-war/2019/02/28/b3733af8-3ae4-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html?utm_term=.f5869566912b

Here's a quote from the story you linked.

"Victor Davis Hanson, a historian with Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, asked last summer in an essay in National Review. Hanson said the United States “was nearing a point comparable to 1860,” about a year before the first shots were fired on Fort Sumter, S.C."

I literally said exactly that. Through my own observations And making comparisons to historical examples I came to the same conclusion.

by TRex2 Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:47 am

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:...
"Victor Davis Hanson, a historian with Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, asked last summer in an essay in National Review. Hanson said the United States “was nearing a point comparable to 1860,” about a year before the first shots were fired on Fort Sumter, S.C."
...

I agree, except that I think we are about two years away from a shooting war.
(I think the aftermath will make a wreck of our country.)

by rick1 Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:20 am

I think we'll know for sure what happens or not, after the 2020 elections are completed or if there is an impeachment process prior to the elections.

All I can say is stock up and stock up some more to be on the safe side.

"A house divided cannot stand" - - Abraham Lincoln

by Drinkthekoolaid Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:12 pm

Look at it this way, we have potentially 18 months until the 2020 election. Use the time wisely.

by TRex2 Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:58 pm

Gun and ammo sales surged as well as silver (I will discuss silver in a different thread) after Trump made noises that he would go along with "universal background checks" (a backdoor registration scheme), and Red Flag Laws (an underhanded way to move towards confiscation).

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/vista-outdoors-stock-plunges-to-record-low-as-firearms-sales-were-terrible-2019-08-08

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/vista-outdoors-stock-plunges-to-record-low-as-firearms-sales-were-terrible-2019-08-08

It was a predictable surge, after all:
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-Sandy-Hook-incident-cause-a-massive-run-on-guns-and-ammo-but-subsequent-incidents-have-had-no-such-effect-on-prices

Why did the Sandy Hook incident cause a massive run on guns and ammo but subsequent incidents have had no such effect on prices?

Answer:
following Sandy Hook, when Diane Feinstein, got back on her “ban everything” horse, it caused a further spike in “panic buying” of the firearms themselves, and while a lot of people like to think it was all “mega owners” like myself…

Reality points otherwise, as there was also a spike in the number of new Concealed Carry holders, believe me on that, our range was chock full of new shooters, every hour we were open for the next 3 years, and all of them had new guns. And our classes had waiting lists, 6 months out, at the rate of 3–4 classes a week. And our membership soared by nearly 100%, in a matter of months.

And that does not take into account all the “newbies”, at large, people who bought a gun for the first time, who just wanted to learn to shoot, more so for home defense vs. concealed carry purposes. A lot of pistols, and a lot of AR-15’s, in the hands of “first timers”, because they felt the need to get one before they might be banned…

A lot of people buying the AR-15, bought one for the first time, because they had always thought of owning one, for good reasons (ease of maintenance, adaptability etc…) And jumped on the wagon, fearing they might not get one if they didn’t, AR’s of any type, were selling for full list price and beyond, with a waiting list.

When President Trump was elected in 2016, it was like a light switch was turned off, our range traffic declined significantly, but soon recovered somewhat and leveled off. Gun sales declined, but not as far as the media likes to think, they just returned to a more realistic level, and ammo manufacturers were able to play “catch up” finally.

by Drinkthekoolaid Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:42 pm

I came across this YouTube channel "forward observer" who is a former intelligence analyst. I really like the way he breaks this down. It makes a lot of sense to me.

I thought that this is worth sharing maybe someone else will get value from his work.

I think I copied and pasted them in the right order

Part 1
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ca7mGSvRdoM

Part 2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTRWKxGWf9o&t=165s

Part 3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sU3Qzrq_ZJM

Part 4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWCznquxouM

Part 5
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=75PJ8Yzc-BQ

by **ReadyMom** Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:50 pm

Ugh! I see the notification for this post come through my email and then scroll down and see part 3 of a series on Civil War Preparedness on Urban Survival site.

Might as well post all three here (don't like the coincidence of these coming through around the same time):

Civil War Preparedness – Part 1: Food and Water
https://urbansurvivalsite.com/civil-war-preparedness-food-water/

Civil War Preparedness – Part 2: Finding Shelter
https://urbansurvivalsite.com/civil-war-preparedness-finding-shelter/

Civil War Preparedness – Part 3: Protecting Yourself
https://urbansurvivalsite.com/civil-war-preparedness-finding-shelter/

by Drinkthekoolaid Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:07 pm

@readymom we must both be thinking the same thing.

That's good that we're obviously both smart Wink

but bad that there are reasons our subconscious is drawn to the same topic at the same time.

I'm 3 videos into "forward observers" 5 part video series I posted. So far it's been excellent and well worth my time to watch. Information is valuable and powerful. I am recommending this series to anyone who will listen.

It's not optimistic at all. But it's highly detailed, methodical, logical and fact based. Well worth a watch.

by TRex2 Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:48 am

I have recently confirmed that Forward Observer is the same guy as Mountain Guerrilla. While I haven't heard anything like that in his Forward Observer recordings, his Mountain Guerrilla articles contain a fair amount of, shall we say, "salty" language. This makes sense, as they were written when he was kinda fresh off the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, and he changed his nym to "Forward Observer" several years later.

Both sets of articles and podcasts are really good info,
but Mountain Guerrilla isn't for tender ears
or the faint of heart.
(It is about violence, and it gets real.)

by Drinkthekoolaid Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:07 am

TRex2 wrote:I have recently confirmed that Forward Observer is the same guy as Mountain Guerrilla. While I haven't heard anything like that in his Forward Observer recordings, his Mountain Guerrilla articles contain a fair amount of, shall we say, "salty" language. This makes sense, as they were written when he was kinda fresh off the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, and he changed his nym to "Forward Observer" several years later.

Both sets of articles and podcasts are really good info,
but Mountain Guerrilla isn't for tender ears
or the faint of heart.
(It is about violence, and it gets real.)

I've never seen those videos I may have to check them out. Thanks.

I think forward observer is pretty on target in his analysis and I like how he breaks down his opinions.

by rick1 Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:43 am

Here's an article on the division of the country and how to prepare.

https://secretsofsurvival.com/preparing-for-civil-war/

Here's an article what the attorney general said in his speech to the federalist society. Although it doesn't directly say anything about a civil war, it does state what is going on in the political world of the U.S..

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/barr-speech-federalist-society-impeachment.html

by TRex2 Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:31 am

Laural Scott appears to be an Attorney, and may have previously worked for the Dept of State. She seems to be a recent convert to prepping.

While most of her videos get 300 to 600 views, this one got 30,000+ views.

Will there be a second American Civil War?
Mar 6, 2019 She lays out the question and looks at the factors that are, and are not in place, which may lead us into civil war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIprMApiXu4

In some of her later videos she makes the case that we will, indeed head into civil war, but I think the analysis in this video is more valuable.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:08 am

This is interesting:

Will The Revolution Start in Virginia?
https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/will-the-revolution-start-in-virginia/

Revolutions start slowly… similar to trying to light a fire with wet wood… Enough heat must be applied till the wood catches fire, but….once MOLESTED…the common man comes alive with a ferocious anger and resolve…. and the Va general assembly has lit the fire. There are many bills in the assembly that will turn peaceful Virginian gun owners into fifth class felons.

(SNIP) ... The Shenandoah County Supervisor meetings are sparsely attended.. but this was different… The meeting was to start at 7pm
Arrived at 5:15 pm
About 1/3 of the 100 chairs were taken (this is almost 2 hours early).
6 pm -the room was full and the doors were shut — a couple of hundred people were waiting to talk to the supervisors on the side of the building
6:30 pm -there was about 400 people in the parking lot
7:00 pm -there were over 1000 people, large parking lot was full, meeting started and county supervisors took a recess as they could not believe how many people arrived and needed to see for themselves.

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by Drinkthekoolaid Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:19 am

ReadyMom wrote:This is interesting:

Will The Revolution Start in Virginia?
https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/will-the-revolution-start-in-virginia/

Revolutions start slowly… similar to trying to light a fire with wet wood… Enough heat must be applied till the wood catches fire, but….once MOLESTED…the common man comes alive with a ferocious anger and resolve…. and the Va general assembly has lit the fire. There are many bills in the assembly that will turn peaceful Virginian gun owners into fifth class felons.

(SNIP) ... The Shenandoah County Supervisor meetings are sparsely attended.. but this was different… The meeting was to start at 7pm
Arrived at 5:15 pm
About 1/3 of the 100 chairs were taken (this is almost 2 hours early).
6 pm -the room was full and the doors were shut — a couple of hundred people were waiting to talk to the supervisors on the side of the building
6:30 pm -there was about 400 people in the parking lot
7:00 pm -there were over 1000 people, large parking lot was full, meeting started and county supervisors took a recess as they could not believe how many people arrived and needed to see for themselves.

That's a good post

There is a lot of anger and frustration in the country and it's being driven by a growing divide between the right and left.

I'm going to link another thread here because I think it's important to show what I'm trying to explain.

https://emergencyhomeprep.forumotion.com/t1365-real-life-story-red-flag-laws

If you haven't read that thread and some of the YouTube videos linked in it, it's worth it. Ignoring whether the original guy "whisky warrior 556" was actually being arrested for domestic violence or not, just ignore that. There is a significant amount of confusion on what actually happened. But focus on the response and what happened next.

In NY (a blue state mind you) that the reports went out that he was being redflagged and many people were upset enough to (right or wrong) try to get involved in one way or another to do something about it. The entire situation turned into a major cluster-F and the 911 system was shut down (I don't particularly think that's a great idea). But the point is there are enough people out there who spontaneously have all decided "enough is enough".

Here are a few videos that give a take on the situation

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zbekg_kHpwg

https://youtu.be/0YHauXGzn44

The point is, it's wise to get a pulse on people's attitudes and try to predict and forecast where things are going.

Why is this important to know?

Because of demographic changes, it's inevitable that we are going to be faced with more social unrest. Here's why

Trump might or might not win in 2020. It really doesn't matter who wins. Half the country will be happy the other half angry. If trump wins these 4 years will merely be a political speed bump.

The Democrat candidate WILL win in 2024. It's almost a certainty. I'ts just demographics and math

Texas is already flirting with being a battleground state and by 2024 it will almost certainly flip blue. It's not being talked about enough to be honest. It's almost a sure thing. The demographic trends have been altered enough that it's a matter of time until the Democrats will have a lock on the executive branch for the foreseeable future. Once they have a super majority which will happen, they will pass all kinds of laws on state and national levels to restrict what people can or can't have or own. The media will push the narrative and propoganda. There are enough people in this country who feel so disenfranchised and not represented and will no longer feel that the government and authorities are legitimate, they will begin acting on their own when they reach their "moral line in the Sand"

I encourage everyone to pay attention and I think it needs to be discussed more. We are really setting ourselves up for major internal conflict.

Look at the history books on what 1855-1861 America was like. It was similar today until the election of Lincoln and the south no longer felt they were being represented and that the government lost its legitimacy. We are on exactly the same path.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:05 pm

I have often said to my husband that people of today's America don't pay attention & don't care enough to protest & voice the wrongs against this country, like back in 1776 & 1800's. People back then saw what was wrong & wanted it corrected and DID SOMETHING about it. Today, people are 'busy with life' and don't think about ANYTHING ELSE. JUST THEMSELVES Angry Orange Face

. Unfortunately, my own husband is in that group and is one who doesn't care and says we'll be dead and it would be our kids who will have to deal, just like we or our parents did, in the past) Surprised

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If our forefathers thought like that, we wouldn't have today's America. People forget that. Back then, what the citizens DIDN'T want was still fresh in their minds. Today's citizens have had the 'good life' for a LONG time on this soil. (Talk to my British father, who lived in England during WWII ... or other Europeans and they see it). Today's Americans are spoiled, self-centered and negligent in their duty as an AMERICAN to keep the country that was originally founded. Combine that with the crap-government that has developed and we're a lost nation. One can only hope that more people than I have thought are paying attention and will demand the changes that are being attempted at be stopped and salvage this nation. I'm NOT advocating revolution, I'm advocating responsibility. Does that mean revolting & civil unrest ... probably Crying or Very sad

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(Boy ... this post is probably going to put me on a list somewhere Rolling Eyes

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by rick1 Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:38 pm

ReadyMom wrote:I have often said to my husband that people of today's America don't pay attention & don't care enough to protest & voice the wrongs against this country, like back in 1776 & 1800's. People back then saw what was wrong & wanted it corrected and DID SOMETHING about it. Today, people are 'busy with life' and don't think about ANYTHING ELSE. JUST THEMSELVES . Unfortunately, my own husband is in that group and is one who doesn't care and says we'll be dead and it would be our kids who will have to deal, just like we or our parents did, in the past) . . . )

If our forefathers thought like that, we wouldn't have today's America. People forget that. Back then, what the citizens DIDN'T want was still fresh in their minds. Today's citizens have had the 'good life' for a LONG time on this soil. (Talk to my British father, who lived in England during WWII ... or other Europeans and they see it). Today's Americans are spoiled, self-centered and negligent in their duty as an AMERICAN to keep the country that was originally founded. Combine that with the crap-government that has developed and we're a lost nation. One can only hope that more people than I have thought are paying attention and will demand the changes that are being attempted at be stopped and salvage this nation. I'm NOT advocating revolution, I'm advocating responsibility. Does that mean revolting & civil unrest ... probably .

(Boy ... this post is probably going to put me on a list somewhere )

Yeap, the CIA, Secret Service, FBI or any one of them will be knocking on your door in a few days. Laugh Animated

I agree with what you and drinkthekoolaid say, but there are just too many snowflakes out there to care about anything but FREE. And the sad part is the far left socialist and media are backing them.

I do firmly believe something is going to snap big time come this next election. If Trump wins, they'll be burning anything they can find in the streets of DC and if he loses, they'll be burning anything they can find in the streets of DC, that's just their nature, they cannot be satisfied.

by TRex2 Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:28 am

[snip]

ReadyMom wrote:This is interesting:
Will The Revolution Start in Virginia?
https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/will-the-revolution-start-in-virginia/

Revolutions start slowly… similar to trying to light a fire with wet wood… Enough heat must be applied till the wood catches fire, but….once MOLESTED…the common man comes alive with a ferocious anger and resolve…. and the Va general assembly has lit the fire. There are many bills in the assembly that will turn peaceful Virginian gun owners into fifth class felons.

I don't know if I am surprised at how long this took, or how quickly it happened. The state's most heavily populated counties are all in the East, and they are the wealthiest, and the most left leaning. I am surprised they didn't go Left several years ago. When the Democrats gained full control of the state, a month ago, it was inevitable that they would dump the Constitution and the rights that go with it.
The only thing that confuses me is that I didn't know they would be seated yet. So, does that mean that those who were already elected before, have turned socialist before leaving office?
Either way, Virginia is lost.

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:.... Ignoring whether the original guy "whisky warrior 556" was actually being arrested for domestic violence or not, just ignore that. There is a significant amount of confusion on what actually happened. But focus on the response and what happened next.
In NY (a blue state mind you) that the reports went out that he was being redflagged and many people were upset enough to (right or wrong) try to get involved in one way or another to do something about it. The entire situation turned into a major cluster-F and the 911 system was shut down (I don't particularly think that's a great idea). But the point is there are enough people out there who spontaneously have all decided "enough is enough".
...
The point is, it's wise to get a pulse on people's attitudes and try to predict and forecast where things are going.
...

This is not much different than the discussion we had with the BLM in Nevada not too many years ago. I followed that case quite closely, and while cooler heads fought to keep it under control, at every step, things were almost out of control.

The call went out to the militias, and they were asked to send people, armed only with cameras, to document the confrontation. A thousand of them showed up, armed to the teeth. Both sides pointed guns at each other, and to keep some of the less stable people a little further from the action, a camp was set up (insiders called them "Jerry's Kids").

Aftermath: Ultimately, all charges against the Patriots were dropped. But, as collateral damage, a couple Las Vegas Police officers to be killed a few weeks later, by some criminals some government operators tried to sneak into the camp, to give them some pretext to attack the camp. (Thanks go to Mike and Jerry, for spotting the problem and keeping them out.)

(Boy ... this post is probably going to put me on a list somewhere Rolling Eyes )

Welcome, from the rest of us that have been on that list for years. (Not sure how much I want to discuss about 'guv surveys' since that is how I got on the list... by knowing too much about those who are watching over us. If you want to open that can of worms, let me know.)

by rick1 Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:15 am

A good article worth reading about armed militias backing President Trump's tweets about a civil war and impeachment:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/armed-militias-are-taking-trumps-civil-war-tweets-seriously

by TRex2 Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:41 pm

I think I am done editing the post above, and will continue below.

rick1 wrote:A good article worth reading about armed militias backing President Trump's tweets about a civil war and impeachment:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/armed-militias-are-taking-trumps-civil-war-tweets-seriously

Here are a few thoughts on that article. First, Pastor Jeffress post, that Trump re-tweeted, says "a Civil War like fracture" with like being the key word there. He isn't advocating violence, or even saying it will happen, but he is saying the country will never heal.

As for his incendiary language that this is a coup, he is simply being factual, something that the Lawfare blog has had a problem with, since he has been in office. (They used to be good.)

Being on the verge of a hot civil war, like 1859, is also factual, and has been the Oathkeepers stance since around 2013, when the Demoncrats were hell bent on passing unconstitutional laws, in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Oathkeepers is neutral, constitutionally, but in an age where both parties, and the Anti-Defamation League (who has abandoned their core mission in favor of Leftist politics), have skewed far to the Left, it does appear to their right.

Calling out the ACLU and SPLC (as well as the MSM) as propaganda organizations is crucial. As one person put it, after having one of their members suckered into an interview, where their comments were published out of context, "their methods are like radiator fluid to a dog."

I will not comment, at this time (and probably not in this forum) about anything in the article beyond the point where it begins to discuss the Border Patrol. Suffice it to say that judges and governments are not God.

by Drinkthekoolaid Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:24 pm

TRex2 wrote:I think I am done editing the post above, and will continue below.

rick1 wrote:A good article worth reading about armed militias backing President Trump's tweets about a civil war and impeachment:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/armed-militias-are-taking-trumps-civil-war-tweets-seriously
Here are a few thoughts on that article. First, Pastor Jeffress post, that Trump re-tweeted, says "a Civil War like fracture" with like being the key word there. He isn't advocating violence, or even saying it will happen, but he is saying the country will never heal.

As for his incendiary language that this is a coup, he is simply being factual, something that the Lawfare blog has had a problem with, since he has been in office. (They used to be good.)

Being on the verge of a hot civil war, like 1859, is also factual, and has been the Oathkeepers stance since around 2013, when the Demoncrats were hell bent on passing unconstitutional laws, in the wake of Sandy Hook.

Oathkeepers is neutral, constitutionally, but in an age where both parties, and the Anti-Defamation League (who has abandoned their core mission in favor of Leftist politics), have skewed far to the Left, it does appear to their right.

Calling out the ACLU and SPLC (as well as the MSM) as propaganda organizations is crucial. As one person put it, after having one of their members suckered into an interview, where their comments were published out of context, "their methods are like radiator fluid to a dog."

I will not comment, at this time (and probably not in this forum) about anything in the article beyond the point where it begins to discuss the Border Patrol. Suffice it to say that judges and governments are not God.

This is a great post.

It does illustrate how much propoganda is being spewed by special interests and how far left everything has gone.

The oathkeepers have no political angle other than to support the Constitution. That's it. Yet, the left is attempting to discredit and disparage them. They want to invalidate and demonize a motivated group that is pro constitution. That's all you should need to know. It's straight out of Saul Alinskys rules for radicals.

by TRex2 Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:53 pm

This is both, a good sign, and a bad sign.
Good because it is a sign that Virginia isn't as lost as I thought, but bad because the Leftists in the Virginia government put us one step closer to civil war.

Not sure if this link will work, it refused my connection, since I am on a VPN.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/20-virginia-counties-2a-sanctuaries

“Nothing even touches the activity in Virginia right now. A lot of gun owners were sleeping, but now they’ve woke the sleeping giant. All these gun owners that have been sound asleep have suddenly woken up.”

The numbers don’t lie. Of Virginia’s 133 counties and independent towns, 23 have already declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries, and another 53 are considering the measure.

“There are more coming,” Van Cleave predicted. “That number’s going to jump quite a bit.”

County Board of Supervisor meetings are literally overflowing with gun owners hoping to send a message to Richmond.

One thousand people showed up at a Board of Supervisors meeting in Shenandoah County, for example, and 700 people attended a meeting in Washington County. The meetings in Amherst and Amelia counties were standing-room-only with crowds flooding the hallways and the front laws.

On a larger scale, gun owners—when they show up—represent a massive voting block in state elections. Van Cleave pointed out that in a state of 8 million people, there are 2 million gun owners and 600,000 hold concealed carry permits.

Van Cleave admitted that when a county declares itself a Second Amendment sanctuary, the gesture is mostly symbolic from a legal standpoint. While all county employees, including any police force, are bound by the resolution, sheriffs and county attorneys are independently elected in Virginia.

But Van Cleave also pointed out that many sheriffs follow the county’s lead, and many others have independently vowed not to enforce new gun control.

by Drinkthekoolaid Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:16 pm

TRex2 wrote:This is both, a good sign, and a bad sign.
Good because it is a sign that Virginia isn't as lost as I thought, but bad because the Leftists in the Virginia government put us one step closer to civil war.

Not sure if this link will work, it refused my connection, since I am on a VPN.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/20-virginia-counties-2a-sanctuaries
“Nothing even touches the activity in Virginia right now. A lot of gun owners were sleeping, but now they’ve woke the sleeping giant. All these gun owners that have been sound asleep have suddenly woken up.”

The numbers don’t lie. Of Virginia’s 133 counties and independent towns, 23 have already declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries, and another 53 are considering the measure.

“There are more coming,” Van Cleave predicted. “That number’s going to jump quite a bit.”

County Board of Supervisor meetings are literally overflowing with gun owners hoping to send a message to Richmond.

One thousand people showed up at a Board of Supervisors meeting in Shenandoah County, for example, and 700 people attended a meeting in Washington County. The meetings in Amherst and Amelia counties were standing-room-only with crowds flooding the hallways and the front laws.

On a larger scale, gun owners—when they show up—represent a massive voting block in state elections. Van Cleave pointed out that in a state of 8 million people, there are 2 million gun owners and 600,000 hold concealed carry permits.

Van Cleave admitted that when a county declares itself a Second Amendment sanctuary, the gesture is mostly symbolic from a legal standpoint. While all county employees, including any police force, are bound by the resolution, sheriffs and county attorneys are independently elected in Virginia.

But Van Cleave also pointed out that many sheriffs follow the county’s lead, and many others have independently vowed not to enforce new gun control.

Here is another similar article and story about a Virginia county telling the state to go pound sand

https://wvva.com/2019/12/03/tazewell-county-becomes-second-amendment-sanctuary/

I might be over thinking it, but reading that article it sure seems to imply they are preparing a militia to protect their 2nd amendment rights...

by **ReadyMom** Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:13 pm

RE Last two posts ... Not sure what is ahead, in that state, this scares me because our son is in the midst of moving to Richmond. Neutral

by Drinkthekoolaid Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:01 pm

ReadyMom wrote:RE Last two posts ... Not sure what is ahead, in that state, this scares me because our son is in the midst of moving to Richmond.

Sorry not trying to scare you

Here is a headline just today from the left

https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-potential-trump-reelection-civilization-033157058.html

They are literally saying out loud civilization as they want it is at stake. They are telling us what they want and think.

by TRex2 Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:59 pm

Those pulling the strings behind the Left have been engaged in a war against American and Christian values for decades, and openly engaged in that struggle since Desert Storm (1991).

Much of their network has been cataloged on "discoverthenetworks.com" but the MSM, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Deep State have worked hard and worked together to keep US citizens in the dark.

As an example, if you will recall, the San Bernadino Christmas party shooting, and the Nidal Hason shooting on Ft Hood, both of which were Islamist Terror attacks, got whitewashed in the media, and the one on Ft Hood, even the first report from official investigation was a whitewash.

I think it would be wise for anyone working in any area largely controlled by Demoncrats to have an exit strategy, and an emergency exit strategy. The first being a plan to move at an opportune time, and the second to move suddenly if things go sideways.

by Drinkthekoolaid Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:53 pm

TRex2 wrote:Those pulling the strings behind the Left have been engaged in a war against American and Christian values for decades, and openly engaged in that struggle since Desert Storm (1991).

Much of their network has been cataloged on "discoverthenetworks.com" but the MSM, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Deep State have worked hard and worked together to keep US citizens in the dark.

As an example, if you will recall, the San Bernadino Christmas party shooting, and the Nidal Hason shooting on Ft Hood, both of which were Islamist Terror attacks, got whitewashed in the media, and the one on Ft Hood, even the first report from official investigation was a whitewash.

I think it would be wise for anyone working in any area largely controlled by Demoncrats to have an exit strategy, and an emergency exit strategy. The first being a plan to move at an opportune time, and the second to move suddenly if things go sideways.

Agreed. And now the latest Navy base shooting was committed by a Saudi national. Yup.

I encourage everyone reading this thread to watch this pastor Joe Viking preparedness video on this exact topic.

It's thought provoking. A lot of what he talks about are the same ideas that we have discussed here in this thread and on this forum.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AdKxMXkWbG4&t=16s

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