Discussion & News-Global (NOT China-MISC )-Feb 2020

by **ReadyMom** Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:58 am

WHO weighs declaring new coronavirus international public health emergency
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/weighs-declaring-coronavirus-international-public-health-emergency/story?id=68448746&fbclid=IwAR1SM9vlzIvcWmYjKp5a5XrtlcVLxUq6JUOSP93Fv_Gnw8pkNIqDROKkUz8&fbclid=IwAR1l9uMR21PlYC-CF57ZBDNCZTP77Bn8ysuGGYeK4SxtXgwQ35Rpf0vBmNQ

In response to the new coronavirus outbreak, a World Health Organization committee will meet Wednesday to decide whether to declare the virus a "public health emergency of international concern."

by **ReadyMom** Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:00 am

The 'P' word is being used, in Irish News:

Fears of pandemic grow as coronavirus spreads beyond China
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/fears-of-pandemic-grow-as-coronavirus-spreads-beyond-china-1.4147619

Fears of a pandemic similar to an outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (Sars) that started in China and killed nearly 800 people in 2002-2003 have roiled global markets,

by **ReadyMom** Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:29 am

I think that this is important. Airports are screening for temps. But according to this, fever may not be present in the infected, they may have other symptoms though, that can't be detected by the screening! Ugh!

HatTip2

Hat Tip to 'Shiloh', FluTrackers:

Fever cough is not the only first symptom of pneumonia due to a new coronavirus infection
http://www.kaixian.tv/gd/2020/0124/263113.html

2020-01-24 19:45:50 Source: Xinhua News Agency

研究 Expert research by Wuhan University People's Hospital found that after infection with new type of coronavirus pneumonia, patients do not necessarily show symptoms of fever and respiratory system first, and there are also symptoms of digestive system, nervous system, cardiovascular system, ophthalmology and so on.

Wuhan University People's Hospital released on January 24th "The first symptoms of non-respiratory system are highly valued-identification and protection of patients with new type of coronavirus pneumonia (2019-nCOV)", reminding medical staff and the public to be highly vigilant about non-respiratory symptoms The first symptom of new pneumonia.

The "Notice on the Issuance of a New Coronary Virus Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment Plan (Trial Implementation)" issued by the authoritative department recently pointed out that the clinical manifestations of new coronavirus pneumonia are mainly manifested by fever, fatigue, and dry cough. In the multidisciplinary department of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, Gastroenterology, People's Hospital of Wuhan University, many cases of "atypical" cases have been discovered during the diagnosis and treatment of new pneumonia.

于 Professor Yu Honggang, director of Department of Gastroenterology, People's Hospital of Wuhan University, introduced an "atypical" case. A 45-year-old man went to the outpatient department of gastroenterology for 3 days due to diarrhea. The doctor repeatedly asked the medical history to confirm that he had a history of exposure to the new coronavirus pneumonia, but no obvious fever and related respiratory symptoms. Thorough CT was performed after the consultation between the doctor and the patient. The results showed multiple sheet-like ground glass-like shadows in both lungs, and a new coronavirus nucleic acid test in the throat swab was positive, and the diagnosis was finally confirmed.

Professor Chen Guozhong, one of the study moderators and director of the Department of Respiratory and Critical I, Wuhan University People's Hospital, introduced that in many clinical cases, the patient did not have typical respiratory symptoms such as fever and cough at the time of consultation, and only the first symptoms of digestive system symptoms: Such as mild appetite, fatigue, poor mentality, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, etc .; first manifestations of neurological symptoms such as headache; first manifestations of cardiovascular system symptoms such as palpitation, chest tightness, etc .; first manifestations of ophthalmic symptoms such as conjunctivitis ; Only mild sore limbs or lower back muscles.

Experts reminded that the above-mentioned patients with non-respiratory system as the first performance are easy to go to relevant departments for treatment, especially in gastroenterology. The lack of obvious specific clinical manifestations increases the difficulty of diagnosis, easily leads to missed diagnosis or misdiagnosis, and increases the chance of infection. Medical staff must be alert to patients with poor appetite, fatigue, muscle soreness (including mild soreness), and mental disorders, and make timely investigations. Such "atypical" patients need to strengthen self-isolation, and medical staff should also strengthen self-protection.

by **ReadyMom** Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:22 am

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blot:

China’s Coronavirus Outbreak: What International Travelers Need to Know
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-what-international-travelers-need-to-know/ar-BBZf1Jz?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

According to the WHO, since it remains unclear exactly how the coronavirus is transmitted, travelers should take certain precautions when traveling in or from an affected area, currently Wuhan.

by **ReadyMom** Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:56 pm

If you are on Facebook THIS will be on, tonight: (It's NOT me ... is someone else from FB)

I'm doing a Facebook live TONIGHT about coronavirus and epidemiology in general in my genetics group tonight (Group (Empowered Genetics (Group).). Y'all are more than welcome. I have taken multiple graduate level epidemiology classes and a 500 level class on emerging infectious disease and control measures. I'm also not going to lie to you or try to scare you but I'm not going to pass things off either.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:31 am

Ugh!

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Some 5,000 cruise passengers and 1,200 crew screened for coronavirus, 148 isolated
http://maritimebulletin.net/2020/01/26/some-5000-cruise-passengers-and-1200-crew-screened-for-coronavirus-148-isolated/

Cruise ship COSTA VENEZIA returned to Shenzhen port, southeastern China, link between Hong Kong and China’s mainland, in the morning Jan 26, after a 6-day cruise to Vietnam. On arrival, cruise ship was boarded my medical team, all 4973 passengers and 12 49 crew were checked by medics for symptoms of fever and pneumonia, 4 were found to have high temperature. 148 passengers who’re residents of Wuhan or visited Wuhan recently, were isolated for a stricter screening.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:08 pm

Hat Tip to 'sharon sanders', FluTrackers:

CDC - About 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) - Hints and Tips on How to Protect Yourself - There is no vaccine so you have to do it
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/index.html

Today, 09:39 PM
About 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

There is an ongoing investigation to determine more about this outbreak. This is a rapidly evolving situation and information will be updated as it becomes available. 2019-nCoV Situation Summary

2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China. Early on, many of the patients in the outbreak in Wuhan, China reportedly had some link to a large seafood and animal market, suggesting animal-to-person spread. However, a growing number of patients reportedly have not had exposure to animal markets, indicating person-to-person spread is occurring. At this time, it’s unclear how easily or sustainably this virus is spreading between people. The latest situation summary updates are available on CDC’s web page 2019 Novel Coronavirus, Wuhan, China.

symptom icon
Transmission
Information about how 2019-nCoV is thought to be spreading from ill people to others.

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Symptoms & Complications
Describes signs and symptoms of 2019-nCoV infection.

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Prevention & Treatment
Tips on protecting yourself from respiratory illnesses.

Additional Resources

What you need to know about 2019-nCoV pdf icon[PDF]

What to do if you are sick with 2019-nCoV pdf icon[PDF]

Page last reviewed: January 26, 2020
Content source: National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD), Division of Viral Diseases

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:18 pm

From the CDC (Centers for Disease Control):

Hat Tip to 'sharon sanders', FluTrackers:

Symptoms
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/symptoms.html

For confirmed 2019-nCoV infections, reported illnesses have ranged from infected people with little to no symptoms to people being severely ill and dying. Symptoms can include:

Fever
Cough
Shortness of breath

CDC believes at this time that symptoms of 2019-nCoV may appear in as few as 2 days or as long as 14 after exposure. This is based on what has been seen previously as the incubation period of MERS viruses.

The latest situation summary updates are available on CDC’s web page 2019 Novel Coronavirus, Wuhan, China.

Page last reviewed: January 26, 2020
Content source: National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD), Division of Viral Diseases

by **ReadyMom** Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:20 pm

Mongolia is now going into lockdown:
https://montsame.mn/en/read/213972

Hat Tip to 'hawkeye', FluTrackers:

On January 24, Friday, the State Emergency Commission decided to close all schools and kindergartens in the country from January 27, 2020 to March 2, 2020.”...

“The cabinet ordered to cancel all kinds of public gatherings, which include activities of training centers, cyber gaming centers, public tour, children playground center and driving schools, etc.

It was also resolved to close border crossings with China for auto vehicles and pedestrian traffic, starting Monday, January 27”

by rick1 Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:30 am

I'm just trying to keep up with the links you all are posting. Man, it's getting bad/worse.

Even the stock market and our 401K's are taking one heck of a hit and they say that hit will continue as the virus spreads and the death toll raises.

by **ReadyMom** Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:11 am

ReadyMom wrote:Mongolia is now going into lockdown:
https://montsame.mn/en/read/213972

Hat Tip to 'hawkeye', FluTrackers:

It was also resolved to close border crossings with China for auto vehicles and pedestrian traffic, starting Monday, January 27”

So ... they HAVE closed their border to China:

HatTip2

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Mongolia is Closing the Border with China because of the Coronavirus
https://www.novinite.com/articles/202869/Mongolia+is+Closing+the+Border+with+China+because+of+the+Coronavirus

Mongolia has closed its border with China both for cars and pedestrians in an attempt to stem the spread of the deadly virus that has infected thousands, AFP reported. Schools are also closed.

by **ReadyMom** Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:41 am

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Coronavirus outbreak: UK among countries at 'high-risk' from spread of disease
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-london-at-risk-disease-outbreak-121114255.html

(SNIP): ... The UK is among the most likely countries to be infected with the deadly coronavirus outbreak, a study has found.

Experts in population mapping at the University of Southampton compiled a list of cities and nations they believe are at “high risk” from the virus - which has already killed over 100 people.

Britain was 17th on the list, based on the number of air travellers predicted to arrive there from the worst affected cities in mainland China.

Researchers believe over 190,000 air passengers will travel to the UK from 18 high-risk Chinese population hubs in the next three months.

Among the other western nations to make the list, only the US, sixth, Germany, 15th and Canada 16th are more vulnerable to the outbreak.

by **ReadyMom** Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:58 am

Good read (as usual) from Avian Flu Diary: (Warning long, if you read his reference links, but good!)

No Pandemic Plan Survives Contact With A Novel Virus
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/

by TRex2 Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:55 pm

ReadyMom wrote:Good read (as usual) from Avian Flu Diary: (Warning long, if you read his reference links, but good!)

No Pandemic Plan Survives Contact With A Novel Virus
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/

More specific link for above:
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/01/no-pandemic-plan-survives-contact-with.html

by **ReadyMom** Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:05 pm

Hat Tip to 'Shiloh', FluTrackers:

A parent's guide to addressing children's anxieties about the coronavirus
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/a-parent-s-guide-to-addressing-children-s-anxieties-about-the-coronavirus-

TORONTO -- As the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV spreads and schools send home notices regarding it, children may have questions about the virus and its impact.

Public health officials say that having clear and non-reactionary conversations with your children provide a good opportunity to talk about hygiene and can prevent fear and anxiety.

“I think that parents should be role-models … and discuss it in a calm way,” said pediatrician Dr. Dina Kulik ---CONTINUED---

by dmwalsh568 Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:27 am

ITALY - Cruise Ship quarantined

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-update-china-spread-intl-hnk/index.html

It seems that one woman from Hong Kong has a fever, so she and her husband are in isolation in the medical bay of the cruise ship, but all 6000 people on board are being kept on the ship until the results are available.

Can't tell if this is crazy level of paranoia or a smart move. Thinking

by rick1 Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:28 am

Thanks dmwalsh, I've never been on twitter, facebook, etc., too old for that crap and I have enough trouble with my TV remote.

by Dave58 Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:39 am

rick1 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:Hat tip to Hawkeye at FluTrackers.com

https://mobile.twitter.com/MgOqkzLBRPLCHyN/status/1222729048847089664?s=19

I wonder if they were sick with fever when they boarded the plane and if they were why didn't they get told they couldn't fly ???

OK Dave, you got me, I clicked on your link and everything is in chinese. Who's on the plane, where did it fly from, where is it flying to.

I can speak a little Vietnamese if that helps.

Oops sorry it was in english on the other website Computer-Hit

They flew into Toronto and it seems that 7 people had a fever and they were not allowed to leave the plane... I don't know what they done with them or how many passengers were on the plane..

by Kevypom Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:38 pm

CORONAVIRUS: WHAT THEY AREN’T TELLING YOU https://youtu.be/h1j2bIo5Ogc

by **ReadyMom** Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:23 pm

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

GOLDSTEIN: 10 reasons not to panic about the Wuhan coronavirus
https://ottawasun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-10-reasons-not-to-panic-about-the-wuhan-coronavirus/wcm/e0b7eedf-c764-4b50-95e5-83c91d846db7

While the Wuhan coronavirus is a global health emergency, here are 10 reasons to keep it in perspective. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:26 pm

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

China adds new symptoms to coronavirus diagnostic list
https://www.scmp.com/print/news/china/society/article/3049228/china-adds-new-symptoms-coronavirus-diagnostic-list

Health authorities also warn that discovery of virus in patients’ faeces suggest that it could be another source of transmission ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:02 pm

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Global panic deepens over China virus
https://www.afp.com/en/news/3954/global-panic-deepens-over-china-virus-doc-1oq8cx5

Go to link to read a laundry list of reactive events across the glove due to the NCov virus ...

by Drinkthekoolaid Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:07 pm

The cruise from hell

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/japan-finds-41-more-cases-011527484.html

Now over 40 people on the cruise shot have tested positive.

by **ReadyMom** Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:10 pm

China marks biggest nCoV jump; WHO unveils response plan
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/china-marks-biggest-ncov-jump-who-unveils-response-plan

China today reported its biggest jump in novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) cases, reporting 3,887 new illnesses, and the World Health Organization (WHO) released a $675 million response strategy to support activities over the next 3 months. ---CONTINUED---

by TRex2 Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:07 am

This is the kind of news that I look for:
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/02/taiwan-confirms-3-cases-2-with-travel.html

over the past few days we've seen signs of travelers who have visited other countries (but not China) returning home with the novel coronavirus (see South Korea Reports Imported Coronavirus Case (ex Thailand).
These cases are harder for clinicians to pick up because their itinerary is less suggestive of a novel coronavirus exposure.
The latest instance comes from Taiwan, which today reports three confirmed cases. First a husband and wife who recently returned from Italy, via Hong Kong, and a woman who traveled with 3 family members to Macao in late January.

No matter what the official propaganda tells us, this news suggests that an outbreak is already in progress in SE Asia.

by Drinkthekoolaid Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:37 am

TRex2 wrote:
This is the kind of news that I look for:
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/02/taiwan-confirms-3-cases-2-with-travel.html
over the past few days we've seen signs of travelers who have visited other countries (but not China) returning home with the novel coronavirus (see South Korea Reports Imported Coronavirus Case (ex Thailand).
These cases are harder for clinicians to pick up because their itinerary is less suggestive of a novel coronavirus exposure.
The latest instance comes from Taiwan, which today reports three confirmed cases. First a husband and wife who recently returned from Italy, via Hong Kong, and a woman who traveled with 3 family members to Macao in late January.
No matter what the official propaganda tells us, this news suggests that an outbreak is already in progress in SE Asia.

This is really bad news. I would say this makes a pandemic almost inevitable at this point

Sad

by TRex2 Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:19 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
TRex2 wrote:
...
No matter what the official propaganda tells us, this news suggests that an outbreak is already in progress in SE Asia.
This is really bad news. I would say this makes a pandemic almost inevitable at this point

It is more a matter of when, rather than if.

But, note that I said suggests.

We currently have a possible outbreak in Europe (Bavaria)
and if we do, we should know for certain by the 20th.

And a probable outbreak in SE Asia, where we should
know for certain by the 15th.

If I am right.
If I am wrong, we will have outbreaks later.

by **ReadyMom** Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:37 pm

INDONESIA & THAILAND

HatTip2

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Experts Warn Coronavirus May Be Spreading Undetected in Indonesia, Thailand
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/experts-warn-coronavirus-may-be-spreading-undetected-indonesia

The number of coronavirus cases reported in Indonesia and Thailand is well below what scientists would expect, given how closely connected the countries are to the Chinese city of Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak.

That raises concerns that the virus may be spreading undetected in those countries, potentially adding fuel to the epidemic that has so far killed over 600 people and sickened over 31,000.

"Indonesia has reported zero cases, and you would expect to have seen several already," said epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, co-author of a new study posted on medRxiv.

Thailand has reported 25 cases, "but you would expect more," he added. ---CONTINUED---

by TRex2 Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:39 pm

the virus may be spreading undetected in those countries,

means essentially the same thing as:

news suggests that an outbreak is already in progress

they just have a different reason for thinking the same thing.

by **ReadyMom** Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:34 pm

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Three Scenarios For The Coronavirus
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/coronavirus-spread-flu-pandemic

Experts are making wildly different predictions about the future of the coronavirus. "We are at the blind-men-feeling-the-elephant stage of this outbreak.”

China’s new coronavirus may peter out. Or it might join the flu on the roster of the world’s winter illnesses — a bug that will be routinely vaccinated against. Or it might become a global pandemic, killing millions of people.

Experts don’t have enough information to predict which of these very different scenarios will come to pass. So for now, they are cautious.

“The issue is, we don’t know. And any sort of prediction would be ill-advised,” said the National Institute of Allergy And Infectious Disease director Anthony Fauci at a Friday briefing by the presidential task force on coronavirus. “You really do prepare for the worst-possible scenario.” ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:34 am

CRUISE SHIP-outside of Japan

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

Coronavirus outbreak: About 60 more cases on Japan cruise ship, total 130 infected so far, says report
https://www.financialexpress.com/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-outbreak-about-60-more-cases-on-japan-cruise-ship-total-130-infected-so-far-says-report/1862687/

The Diamond Princess has been in quarantine since arriving off the Japanese coast early last week after the virus was detected in a former passenger who got off the ship last month in Hong Kong.

Around 60 more people aboard the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship moored off Japan have been diagnosed with novel coronavirus, national broadcaster NHK said Monday, bringing the total number of infected to about 130. Other local media also reported the new cases, but health ministry officials declined to comment. The Diamond Princess has been in quarantine since arriving off the Japanese coast early last week after the virus was detected in a former passenger who got off the ship last month in Hong Kong.

When the boat arrived off Japan, authorities initially tested nearly 300 people for the virus of the 3,711 on board, gradually evacuating dozens who were infected to local medical facilities. In recent days, testing has expanded to those with new symptoms or who had close contact with other infected passengers or crew, and several more cases were reported over the weekend. Those who remain on the ship have been asked to stay inside their cabins and allowed only briefly onto open decks. ---CONTINUED---

by TRex2 Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:16 am

I guess we can consider it confirmed that we have a breakout of the virus in Europe. Looks like Zero Day is about the 25th of January, so, working from there.

By the 1st of March, we should expect around 512 cases in Europe, with the authorities aware of about 64 of them.

by **ReadyMom** Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:38 pm

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

We combed through dozens of new studies about the coronavirus. The research suggests a suite of overlooked symptoms and up to 8 times more cases than reported.
https://www.insider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-research-studies-published-2020-1

**Read article to see what they seem to have found ... there's some surprises there!

by TRex2 Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:47 am

TRex2 wrote:
This is the kind of news that I look for:
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/02/taiwan-confirms-3-cases-2-with-travel.html
over the past few days we've seen signs of travelers who have visited other countries (but not China) returning home with the novel coronavirus (see South Korea Reports Imported Coronavirus Case (ex Thailand).
These cases are harder for clinicians to pick up because their itinerary is less suggestive of a novel coronavirus exposure.
The latest instance comes from Taiwan, which today reports three confirmed cases. First a husband and wife who recently returned from Italy, via Hong Kong, and a woman who traveled with 3 family members to Macao in late January.
No matter what the official propaganda tells us, this news suggests that an outbreak is already in progress in SE Asia.

Yep. WHO basically confirmed it on the 12th.
https://emergencyhomeprep.forumotion.com/t1463-who-world-health-organization-updates-reports#6744
I guess, just to keep things simple, I will call Zero day for SE Asia 25 Jan, same as Europe.

by TRex2 Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:08 am

ReadyMom wrote: Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

We combed through dozens of new studies about the coronavirus. The research suggests a suite of overlooked symptoms and up to 8 times more cases than reported.
https://www.insider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-research-studies-published-2020-1

**Read article to see what they seem to have found ... there's some surprises there!

This article does a good job of getting all previously known ideas under a single headline, but the only thing I saw, that I didn't already know, is that the Zero Day for Germany is probably more likely to be about 15 Jan, instead of the 25. I was probably optimistic about SE Asia too.

I guess I need to revise them both to 15 Jan.

by oldasrocks Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:59 pm

My wife left for Taiwan this am. We should be getting first hand reports from her in a day or tow.

by **ReadyMom** Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:35 pm

HatTip2: Hat Tip to Avian Flu Diary

#CGDTalks Webinar: Battling Coronavirus: Is the World Ready?
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/02/cgdtalks-webinar-battling-coronavirus.html

The Center for Global Development held a 2 hours webinar this morning discussing the potential ramifications and required response to a COVID-19 pandemic. The two hour session just ended, and the entire video is already archived on Youtube (LINK).

The panelists touched on a wide variety of subjects, including such `3rd rail' topics as Crisis Standards of Care, Ventilator Shortages and potential triage decisions, the limited supply of PPEs for Health Care Workers, and the limitations of the global supply chain.

VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=682&v=YtbCbKNqymo&feature=emb_logo

Highly recommended, particularly if you are working in the health care field, but certainly of interest to just about everybody. ---CONTINUED---

by dmwalsh568 Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:56 am

Confirmed: Asymptomatic transmission is possible

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-study/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold

'There's no doubt': Top US infectious disease doctor says Wuhan coronavirus can spread even when people have no symptoms

CNN wrote:The nation's top infectious disease doctor says a new study published Thursday night shows people can spread the Wuhan coronavirus before symptoms set in.

German researchers found that the virus was transmitted by people without symptoms in five instances in one cluster of people: from a parent to a daughter; from that daughter to two colleagues; and from one of those colleagues to two other coworkers.

"There's no doubt after reading this paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases. "This study lays the question to rest."

This will certainly make containment protocols more interesting.... Shocked

by TRex2 Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:11 pm

dmwalsh568 wrote:Confirmed: Asymptomatic transmission is possible
...
"There's no doubt after reading this paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases. "This study lays the question to rest."

This will certainly make containment protocols more interesting....

I saw this coming a long time ago, and that is why I kept referring to the screen door in a driving rainstorm. Certainly, not all of it will get through the containment protocols, but there will be lots of cases that will escape all our efforts at containment.

This stuff is more contagious than influenza, and we can't contain that: it goes pandemic every year.

by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:59 am

oldasrocks wrote:My wife left for Taiwan this am. We should be getting first hand reports from her in a day or tow.

Keep us updated when you are able to. It's always good to get more first hand accounts.

by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:01 am

TRex2 wrote:

I think it's almost impossible to stop/contain at this point.

I think best case scenario is that now every year we have to deal with annual outbreak or influenza And coronavirus.

I feel like this is going to be so established it won't be able to be stopped and we'll just have to deal with it much like influenza.

Who knows. Just me being pessimistic right now.

I think I just read a report stating that last night. Can't put my finger on it, right now ... but I'm sure I read that.

by TRex2 Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:26 am

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
TRex2 wrote:
I think it's almost impossible to stop/contain at this point.

I think best case scenario is that now every year we have to deal with annual outbreak or influenza And coronavirus.

I feel like this is going to be so established it won't be able to be stopped and we'll just have to deal with it much like influenza.

Who knows. Just me being pessimistic right now.
I think I just read a report stating that last night. Can't put my finger on it, right now ... but I'm sure I read that.

I don't think I wrote all of the message you quoted. I think it is part my posting, and part someone else. I do think it may be accurate for the next two winters (annual outbreak), but not every winter after that. For the virus to have annual outbreaks after the first two winters, it would have to undergo further mutations, and this virus appears to be a dead end, in that fashion. (Caveat: I am a mathematician, not a virologist, so this virus may fool me, on that issue.)

by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:07 pm

TRex2 wrote:
Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
TRex2 wrote:
I think it's almost impossible to stop/contain at this point.

I think best case scenario is that now every year we have to deal with annual outbreak or influenza And coronavirus.

I feel like this is going to be so established it won't be able to be stopped and we'll just have to deal with it much like influenza.

Who knows. Just me being pessimistic right now.
I think I just read a report stating that last night. Can't put my finger on it, right now ... but I'm sure I read that.
I don't think I wrote all of the message you quoted. I think it is part my posting, and part someone else. I do think it may be accurate for the next two winters (annual outbreak), but not every winter after that. For the virus to have annual outbreaks after the first two winters, it would have to undergo further mutations, and this virus appears to be a dead end, in that fashion. (Caveat: I am a mathematician, not a virologist, so this virus may fool me, on that issue.)

Lol sorry I just reread that. My bad, I was replying ony phone and half my thoughts/words ended up in your quite box somehow not in mine. That's my fault sorry for the confusion

by TRex2 Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:23 pm

I was replying ony phone and half my thoughts/words ended up in your quite box somehow not in mine. That's my fault sorry for the confusion

No problem. I know you wouldn't do it on purpose, and besides, your thoughts on this are only a little different than mine.

by **ReadyMom** Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:29 am

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

World on alert for coronavirus spread as stranded passengers fly home to 40 countries from two stricken cruise ships
https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3050938/world-alert-coronavirus-spread-stranded-passengers-fly-home-40-countries

More than 3,000 travellers on two coronavirus-stricken Carnival cruise ships are returning home, fanning out to more than 40 countries and fuelling fears of further contagion from the deadly virus.

The US on Monday began evacuating its citizens from the Diamond Princess off Yokohama, Japan, where 70 new cases of the virus were confirmed over the weekend.
Canada, Hong Kong and other countries also plan similar evacuations of hundreds. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:42 am

Couple diagnosed with coronavirus flew on Delta, Hawaiian Airlines flights, carriers confirm
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/couple-coronavirus-flew-delta-hawaiian-airlines

Delta Air Lines and Hawaiian Airlines have confirmed that a couple diagnosed with the coronavirus traveled on their flights in and around Hawaii earlier this month.

On Feb. 6, the couple, a husband and wife from Japan reportedly in their 60s, departed from Honolulu for Nagoya, Japan, on Delta flight 611, KHON2 reports. The State Department of Health [DOH] said that the couple previously arrived in the Aloha State on Jan. 28 and spent time in Maui until Feb. 3. That day, the couple traveled from Kahului to Honolulu on the island of Oahu on Hawaiian Airlines flight HA265, the airline confirmed.

In Oahu, the husband and wife stayed at the Grand Waikikian by Hilton Grand Vacations.

by **ReadyMom** Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:04 am

Hat Tip to FluWiki, Facebook:

Credible risk' of coronavirus pandemic, says new French health minister
https://www.reddit.com/r/cvnews/comments/f5srwe/credible_risk_of_coronavirus_pandemic_says_new/

France’s new French health minister, Olivier Veran said on Tuesday that there is a "credible risk" the coronavirus outbreak could turn unto a pandemic, as the World Health Organisation warned against a global over-reaction, following panic-buying and event cancellations."This is both a working assumption and a credible risk," Veran told France Info radio, when asked about the possibility of the coronavirus becoming a pandemic. ---CONTINUED---

by **ReadyMom** Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:39 am

CAMBODIA-Cruise Ship

HatTip2

Hat Tip to John West's Daily Big Threat Blog:

Cambodia’s Coronavirus Complacency May Exact a Global Toll
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cambodias-coronavirus-complacency-may-exact-a-global-toll/ar-BB106rXO?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

SIHANOUKVILLE, Cambodia — When Cambodia’s prime minister greeted passengers on a cruise ship amid a coronavirus scare on Valentine’s Day, embraces were the order of the day. Protective masks were not.

Not only did Prime Minister Hun Sen not wear one, assured that the ship was virus-free, his bodyguards ordered people who had donned masks to take them off. The next day, the American ambassador to Cambodia, W. Patrick Murphy, who brought his own family to greet the passengers streaming off the ship, also went maskless. ---CONTINUED---

by TRex2 Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:09 pm

Looks like we have a breakout of the virus in Iran. Looks like Zero Day is about the middle of Feb, so, working from there, by the 1st of March, we should expect around a few dozen cases. I don't know if they will get a lid on this or not. They may have had some practice from dealing with the MERS virus.
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/02/covid-19-dispatches-from-iran.html

by oldasrocks Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:50 am

Worst Job in the world? Disinfecting cruise ships. Taking applications now.

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