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Post by ReadyMom Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:49 pm

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China: Coronavirus Vaccine Could Be Ready for 'Emergency Use' in April
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/china-coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-emergency-use-april

Weeks after its scientists released the sequence of the coronavirus, China says the first vaccines could be in "emergency use" next month.

A top Chinese health official said Friday the country was moving full steam ahead to develop vaccines for the coronavirus, which has infected more than 100,000 people and killed upwards of 3,000 worldwide.

“According to our estimates, we are hopeful that in April some of the vaccines will enter clinical research or be of use in emergency situations,” said Zheng Zhongwei, director of the National Health Commission’s Science and Technology Development Center. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:26 am

Johns Hopkins develops its own coronavirus test
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/johns-hopkins-develops-its-own-coronavirus-test/

Doctors at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore have created their own coronavirus test, which they hope will help address the need for more testing for COVID-19.

Doctors at Hopkins said the country needs more widely available tests that return results more quickly. That's why they created a test on their own, reports CBS Baltimore.

Hopkins began using the test on Wednesday and by Thursday night, they were to have tested 50 samples. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:31 am

House passes coronavirus relief bill to provide free COVID-19 testing for everyone, paid emergency leave
https://abc7chicago.com/6012204/

The House of Representatives passed a bipartisan legislative package in response to the spread of coronavirus in the early hours of Saturday morning following intense negotiations between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Trump administration.

The bill passed with broad, bipartisan support and a final tally of 363-40 with 40 Republicans voting against it and Independent Justin Amash of Michigan voting "present," reported CNN. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:13 am

Coronavirus vaccine trial is ready to administer it 2rst dose in Seattle
https://theconservativeopinion.com/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-is-ready-to-administer-its-first-dose-in-seattle/?fbclid=IwAR2blgRDOAmeS_6-vcAtPinO6aaINHWKySMuaGShVNGX7k0nSPpZ1Bc3xSA

Geekwire reports Seattle’s Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute plans give an experimental dose of coronavirus vaccine to the first participant in a clinical trial on Monday, The Associated Press quotes a government official as saying.

Kaiser Permanente’s Phase 1 clinical trial is the first U.S. study focusing on a potential vacc the virus that so far has killed at least 69 Americans and more than 6,500 elsewhere in the world. The test makes use of Moderna’s mRNA-1273 vaccine. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:41 am

Coronavirus Update: Vaccine Skips Important Animal Testing Phase, Straight To Human Trials
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-update-vaccine-skips-important-animal-testing-phase-straight-human-trials-2941208

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--Human trials on the new COVID-19 vaccine began March 16 in the U.S.
--The human trials began even as animal trials are underway
--This unorthodox approach, which might compromise both the safety and efficacy of the new vaccine, is being questioned by biomedical ethicists ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:46 am

China developing 9 potential vaccines in global race for coronavirus cure
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3075722/china-developing-9-potential-vaccines-global-race-coronavirus

The race to develop a Covid-19
vaccine is on, with the United States already starting a clinical trial and China close behind.

On Tuesday, vaccine producer CanSino Biologics, in Tianjin in China’s northeast, said it was looking for volunteers to take part in a six-month clinical trial of a treatment it had developed jointly with the Academy of Military Medical Sciences.

“The vaccine does not contain infectious substances, is highly safe and stable, and requires only one inoculation,” the Hubei Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said in its request for volunteers ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:58 am

Irish company create coronavirus testing kit which can confirm infection in 15 minutes
https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-company-create-coronavirus-testing-kit-can-confirm-infection-15-minutes-181738

AN IRISH company has invented a COVID-19 testing kit which can produce results in 15 minutes.

Assay Genie, a Reagent Genie brand invented by Colm Ryan and Seán Mac Fhearraigh, uses technology from pregnancy tests for rapid results, and has been tipped as being a "clinical weapon" against coronavirus.

As reported by The Irish Independent, the rapid testing kit measures one drop of blood, and while it is currently in the pilot phase, the creators believe it could be released in just seven days in order to tackle the spread of the virus. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by TRex2 Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:05 pm

There are reports that the Malaria Vaccine works as an anti-viral against CoViD-19.
I have not looked at the reports, myself.
Got it third hand.

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Post by rick1 Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:05 am

TRex2 wrote:There are reports that the Malaria Vaccine works as an anti-viral against CoViD-19.
I  have not looked at the reports, myself.
Got it third hand.

Here's the one you're thinking of TRex. There are some other drugs that are being tested also, one of them was for the treatment of ebola.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-malaria-drug-to-be-made-available-to-coronavirus-patients-almost-immediately-trump-says

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Post by ReadyMom Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:38 am

As the First Coronavirus Vaccine Human Trials Begin, Manufacturer is Already Preparing To Scale Production to Millions
https://time.com/5807669/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna/

Last week, the first volunteers in a study of an experimental COVID-19 vaccine received their first doses, and the vaccine’s developer, Moderna Therapeutics, is already thinking ahead. Although testing on the vaccine will take at least a year to complete, the work could provide valuable information about how the immune system can fight coronaviruses and could give scientists a head start if any new outbreaks of the virus were to occur. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:13 am

There's drug combo to shorten coronavirus, French researchers say
https://www.foxnews.com/science/french-researchers-publish-antimalarial-and-antibiotics-combination-that-could-shorten-covid-19

Researchers in France have issued a statement detailing how a combination of antimalarial medication and antibiotics could be a vital weapon in the battle against coronavirus.

The work by researchers at IHU-Méditerranée Infection in Marseille has garnered global attention, notably from President Trump. Researchers prescribed the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin to patients earlier this month, according to the research, which is published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents. Some experts, however, have also urged caution around the drug combination.

The Federal Drug Administration is studying the effects of hydroxychloroquine as a potential treatment for COVID-19, but it has made no recommendation on it yet. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:48 am

Coronavirus: French rapid detection test authorised in USA
https://www.brusselstimes.com /all-news/102439/coronavirus-french-rapid-detection-test-authorised-in-usa/

The French laboratory bioMérieux announced on Tuesday that it has obtained Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to market a new Covid-19 rapid detection test.

The test, Biofire Covid-19, detects the Coronavirus in about 45 minutes from a nasopharyngeal swab in transport media, the group said in a press release.

It is very simple to use, it added. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:52 am

Virus Test Results in Minutes? Scientists Question Accuracy
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/virus-test-results-minutes-scientists-question-accuracy

MADRID - Some political leaders are hailing a potential breakthrough in the fight against COVID-19: simple pin-prick blood tests or nasal swabs that can determine within minutes if someone has, or previously had, the virus.


The tests could reveal the true extent of the outbreak and help separate the healthy from the sick. But some scientists have challenged their accuracy. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:41 am

US biotech firm says its pneumonia treatment could help save the lives of coronavirus patients by 'cleaning up' killer lung inflammation
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8160617/US-biotech-firm-wants-test-pneumonia-treatment-COVID-19-patients.html

A New Jersey biotech firm believes its drug could help save the lives of the sickest coronavirus patients.

BioAegis Therapeutics has been testing a protein called gelsolin to treat pneumonia.

Gelsolin exists naturally in the human body and helps to combat inflammation like that seen in critically ill and dying coronavirus patients. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:46 am

Could chloroquine treat coronavirus? Five questions answered about a promising, problematic and unproven use for an antimalarial drug
https://www.minnpost.com/other-nonprofit-media/2020/03/could-chloroquine-treat-coronavirus-five-questions-answered-about-a-promising-problematic-and-unproven-use-for-an-antimalarial-drug/

An Arizona man died, and his wife was hospitalized, after taking a form of chloroquine, which President Trump has touted as an effective treatment for COVID-19. The couple decided to self-medicate with chloroquine phosphate, which they had on hand to kill parasites in their fish, after hearing the president describe chloroquine as a “game changer.”

Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of NIH’s National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Diseases, quickly corrected the statement, explaining that Trump’s comments were based on anecdotes and not a controlled clinical trial. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:20 pm

NYC Scientists Might Hold Treatment Key
https://www.newsbreak.com/new-york/manhattan/news/0OZajBxS/nyc-scientists-might-hold-treatment-key-week-in-review

MANHATTAN, NY — One of New York City's largest blood banks has started to collect plasma samples containing coronavirus antibodies from patients who have recovered from the deadly virus, the blood bank announced this week.

New York Blood Center, which operates locations in Midtown and one on the Upper East Side, is one of the first New York City institutions to begin collecting plasma samples from recovered coronavirus patients, its directors said in a statement. The United States Food and Drug Administration recently approved the use of plasma samples containing coronavirus antibodies as a therapy for patients suffering from the disease. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:07 pm

Abbott Labs Gets Emergency Approval For Rapid Coronavirus Test
https://patch.com/illinois/lakeforest/abbott-labs-gets-emergency-approval-rapid-coronavirus-test

NORTH CHICAGO, IL — The Food and Drug Administration granted emergency authorization for the use of a new coronavirus test that produces results within minutes, Abbott Laboratories announced Friday.

The new test is designed to run on portable devices the size of a small toaster than can be used in urgent care clinics, emergency rooms and doctors' offices, according to the North Chicago-based medical device maker. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:33 pm

A new FDA-authorized COVID-19 test doesn’t need a lab and can produce results in just 5 minutes
https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/27/a-new-fda-authorized-covid-19-test-doesnt-need-a-lab-and-can-produce-results-in-just-5-minutes/

There’s a new COVID-19 test from healthcare technology maker Abbott that looks to be the fastest yet in terms of producing results, and that can do so on the spot right at point-of-care, without requiring a round trip to a lab. This test for the novel coronavirus causing the current global pandemic has received emergency clearance for use by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and will begin production next week, with output of 50,000 per day possible starting next week. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:42 am

An erectile dysfunction drug might improve critical coronavirus case
https://bgr.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-cure-erectile-dysfunction-drug-aviptadil-used-in-trial/

One of the problems with highly contagious new viruses like the SARS-CoV-2 that causes COVID-19 is that there’s no line of treatment when the outbreak starts. Doctors in China and other countries have tried all sorts of therapies to mitigate the effects of the novel coronavirus on the body. They’ve been using existing drugs that have been approved for other ailments, to treat symptoms, speed up recovery times, and attempt to save critical patients. That’s because it takes time to develop a drug that can deal with the new virus, just as it takes time to come up with a vaccine that could immunize the general population. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:08 pm

Coronavirus treatments: A list of the most promising medical treatments for COVID-19
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-treatments-most-promising-medical-treatments-for-covid-19-2020-4

(SNIP) ... Here's our list of some of the most promising medical treatments undergoing clinical trial testing right now. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:45 am

Nitric Oxide Investigated as COVID-19 Treatment
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200409/nitric-oxide-investigated-as-covid19-treatment

THURSDAY, April 9, 2020 (HealthDay News) -- Doctors at the University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB) are enrolling patients in an international clinical trial to find out if inhaled nitric oxide benefits those with COVID-19 who have severely damaged lungs.

Right now, there are no approved treatments for the illness caused by the new coronavirus. A severe form of lung failure called acute respiratory distress syndrome is the leading cause of death in COVID-19. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:54 am

Experts fear coronavirus vaccine may only provide ‘short-term’ immunity from virus
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/experts-fear-coronavirus-vaccine-may-only-provide-short-term-immunity-from-virus/

A public health expert told Salon that it is unclear whether a single vaccine will be enough to inoculate the general public against the novel coronavirus, noting that those who have recovered from other viruses of the same type (coronaviruses) generally only have “short-term” immunity afterwards. ---CONTINUED---

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Coronavirus Vaccine Could Be Ready in Six Months: Times
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-in-six-months-times-1.1420286

A vaccine against the coronavirus could be ready by September, according to a scientist leading one of Britain’s most advanced teams.

Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, told The Times on Saturday that she is “80% confident” the vaccine would work, and could be ready by September. Experts have warned the public that vaccines typically take years to develop, and one for the coronavirus could take between 12 to 18 months at best. ---CONTINUED---

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Two thirds of COVID-19 patients improve after Gilead drug - NEJM
https://in.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-gilead-remdesivir/two-thirds-of-covid-19-patients-improve-after-gilead-drug-nejm-idINKCN21T05L?rpc=401&

(Reuters) - More than two-thirds of severely ill COVID-19 patients saw their condition improve after treatment with remdesivir, an experimental drug being developed by Gilead Sciences Inc., according to new data based on patient observation.

The analysis, published on Friday by the New England Journal of Medicine, does not detail what other treatments the 61 hospitalized patients were given and data on eight of them were not included — in one case because of a dosing error. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by ReadyMom Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:26 pm

COVID-19 treatment: BioCryst begins Clinical Trial with Galidesivir
http://outbreaknewstoday.com/covid-19-treatment-biocryst-begins-clinical-trial-with-galidesivir-48345/

BioCryst Pharmaceuticals, Inc. announced last week that the company has opened enrollment into a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial to assess the safety, clinical impact and antiviral effects of galidesivir in patients with COVID-19. ---CONTINUED---

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Post by rick1 Sat May 09, 2020 4:41 am

It seems that people that contract coronavirus are largely deficient in vitamin D, but don't start taking excess amounts of V-D just because of this article.

P.S. How long before V-D is missing from the shelves because people will be hoarding it.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200507121353.htm

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Post by rick1 Sun May 17, 2020 3:43 am

rick1 wrote:It seems that people that contract coronavirus are largely deficient in vitamin D, but don't start taking excess amounts of V-D just because of this article.

P.S. How long before V-D is missing from the shelves because people will be hoarding it.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200507121353.htm

Here's another article about the lack of V-D in a person and the connection with the coronavirus, from Dr. Eamon Laird and Professor Rose Anne Kenny:


https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2020/04/28/Clear-link-between-vitamin-D-deficiency-and-severity-of-coronavirus-say-researchers

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Post by TRex2 Sun May 17, 2020 4:10 am

rick1 wrote:
rick1 wrote:It seems that people that contract coronavirus are largely deficient in vitamin D, but don't start taking excess amounts of V-D just because of this article.

P.S. How long before V-D is missing from the shelves because people will be hoarding it.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200507121353.htm

Here's another article about the lack of V-D in a person and the connection with the coronavirus, from Dr. Eamon Laird and Professor Rose Anne Kenny:

https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2020/04/28/Clear-link-between-vitamin-D-deficiency-and-severity-of-coronavirus-say-researchers
Just a little more evidence that a lot of people need to get some fresh air and sunshine.

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Post by dmwalsh568 Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:55 am

Supercomputer analysis of COVID effects

https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/computing/hardware/has-the-summit-supercomputer-cracked-the-covid-code

A supercomputer-powered genetic study of COVID-19 patients has spawned a possible breakthrough into how the novel coronavirus causes disease—and points toward new potential therapies to treat its worst symptoms.

The genetic data mining research uncovered a common pattern of gene activity in the lungs of symptomatic COVID-19 patients, which when compared to gene activity in healthy control populations revealed a mechanism that appears to be a key weapon in the coronavirus’s arsenal.

The good news is there are already drugs—a few of which are already FDA-approved—aimed at some of these very same pathologies.

Lots more detail in the article.

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Post by rick1 Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:59 pm

No shot, no work. That's nothing new.

My daughter is mandated to get the flu shot every year, even though she doesn't believe in them. She's in the medical field and is required to get one.

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rick1 wrote:No shot, no work. That's nothing new.

My daughter is mandated to get the flu shot every year, even though she doesn't believe in them. She's in the medical field and is required to get one.

I don't know what my wife will do.. She is allergic to the flu shot ( makes her run fever and trouble breathing ) same thing with the shingles shot...

I watched another video on a thing in the UK called the Freedom Pass you get the vax and a test that says you not sick and you will be free to come and go as you pls

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Post by ReadyMom Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:49 am

Came across this today.  I think this is an important piece of info:

"Some vaccines may be able to stop the infection, but others won’t and that’s fine. (😮) What they will do is prevent the virus from doing the kind of damage seen in people who develop severe COVID-19. Various immune system components created after vaccination, like neutralizing antibodies and coronavirus-specific B and T cells, will allow the body to fight the pathogen from the moment it enters the body instead of after it has already begun replicating rapidly."

"This means vaccinated people who carry the virus might still be infectious to others. "  (😮)

So ... So when they say the vaccines are "95% effective" ... we need to ask "Effective at doing what?"  It would still come down to personal responsibility (mask wearing, etc.).

Also ... the current spin is that this is going to prevent the spread. Will it? Doesn't sound like it!

https://bgr.com/2020/11/25/coronavirus-vaccine-stop-covid-19-transmission-face-masks-still-required/

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ReadyMom wrote:Came across this today.  I think this is an important piece of info:

"Some vaccines may be able to stop the infection, but others won’t and that’s fine. (😮) What they will do is prevent the virus from doing the kind of damage seen in people who develop severe COVID-19. Various immune system components created after vaccination, like neutralizing antibodies and coronavirus-specific B and T cells, will allow the body to fight the pathogen from the moment it enters the body instead of after it has already begun replicating rapidly."

"This means vaccinated people who carry the virus might still be infectious to others. "  (😮)

So ... So when they say the vaccines are "95% effective" ... we need to ask "Effective at doing what?"  It would still come down to personal responsibility (mask wearing, etc.).

Also ... the current spin is that this is going to prevent the spread. Will it? Doesn't sound like it!

https://bgr.com/2020/11/25/coronavirus-vaccine-stop-covid-19-transmission-face-masks-still-required/

I don't think they even know how long it will protect you. I would almost bet the farm that just as soon as they get the shot the mask will come off because now they are invincible

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Post by Dave58 Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:29 am

Just heard that the governor of NY is going to make the vac. mandatory and FL may follow suit.. The thing that grabbed my attention is they want to start with the Nursing homes and front line workers..

Sounds like they might want to test it on the old folks first given that the worst that could happen is they will die and the Gov. will save money on SSI payments

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Dave58 wrote:Just heard that the governor of NY is going to make the vac. mandatory and FL may follow suit.. The thing that grabbed my attention is they want to start with the Nursing homes and front line workers..

Sounds like they might want to test it on the old folks first given that the worst that could happen is they will die and the Gov. will save money on SSI payments

Do you have a source for that info?

The only article relating to New York and vaccine mandate was this one:
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/new-york-legislation-would-make-covid-19-vaccination-mandatory
A New York lawmaker has proposed mandating vaccination against COVID-19 if not enough residents voluntarily get the shot once it is available.

Assemblymember Linda Rosenthal, who represents parts of Manhattan's West Side, earlier this month introduced a bill that would require the state to "safely and effectively" distribute an FDA-approved vaccine "in accordance with the department [of health]'s COVID-19 vaccination administration program," according to the language of the legislation.

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Once the vaccination program has been rolled out for a while, the Department of Health would have the authority to "mandate vaccination" to anyone who can "safely receive the vaccine" if public health officials see that New Yorkers aren't developing "sufficient immunity from COVID-19."

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Rosenthal's bill would allow someone to be medically exempt from mandatory vaccination if they get a letter from a licensed medical professional.

Assembly Bill A11179, as its designated, is sitting in committee, according to the Assembly's bill tracker.

And the only mention of Cuomo was at the end of the article and not part of the proposal:

Gov. Andrew Cuomo has said the first batch of doses of Pfizer's vaccine will go to nursing homes for residents and staff next week. Then a batch of vaccine doses from Moderna will arrive soon after.

So I'm curious what your source for this info is. Everyone I read about is being very cautious about not imposing mandates. This is especially important after the news from the UK about two allergic reactions to the vaccine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55244122
People with a history of significant allergic reactions should not have the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid jab, regulators say.
It came after two NHS workers had allergic reactions on Tuesday.
The advice applies to those who have had reactions to medicines, food or vaccines, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency said.
The two people had a reaction shortly after having the new jab, had treatment and are both fine now.
They are understood to have had an anaphylactoid reaction, which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure. This is not the same as anaphylaxis which can be fatal.
Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenaline pens around with them.

Red emphasis was mine. More article at link above.

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Post by TRex2 Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:13 am

Dave58 wrote:Just heard that the governor of NY is going to make the vac. mandatory and FL may follow suit.. The thing that grabbed my attention is they want to start with the Nursing homes and front line workers..

Sounds like they might want to test it on the old folks first given that the worst that could happen is they will die and the Gov. will save money on SSI payments
The flip side of that is that they know that the vaccine is reasonably safe in the short term, for example, safe for a year after you take it. Those in the nursing homes won't develop certain after effects in a noticeable way (sterile, or impotent, or dementia) since anything they develop can simply be written off as old age. Gives the Deep State an edge on deniability, at least for a while.

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Post by rick1 Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:19 am

I can't remember the exact statics, but it was around 50% said they wouldn't get the shot, including me. I'll fight getting it as long as I can. I want to see how many will have bad side effects from it or die from it.

I know people that said it's against their constitutional rights to be forced to get the shot, it's not:


https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/mandatory-vaccination-legal-time-epidemic/2006-04

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Post by Dave58 Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:27 am

I evidently miss spoke I got my infor from the same source..

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Dave58 wrote:I evidently miss spoke I got my infor from the same source..

I found the same article, they may make it mandatory, you know how those demanrates work:


https://www.fox5ny.com/news/new-york-legislation-would-make-covid-19-vaccination-mandatory

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Biden said he won't make the vaccine mandatory and nor should the states:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55193939

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Post by dmwalsh568 Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:41 pm

Rick1, I was trying to accept that you're being fooled by clickbait article titles, but this title even says directly that it's empowering the HEALTH DEPARTMENT to mandate the vaccines. And if you read the article it would give them the power in case not enough people accept the vaccine voluntarily.
Rosenthal also responded to questions raised about whether such a mandate would violate individual liberties by saying, "The state is not frivolously doing this. The state has a task force to review the vaccines. It's only at the point where there's a lack of herd immunity which protects every single resident of New York State that the department of health would step in."
Rosenthal also noted that a provision of the bill also ensures that anyone whose doctor determines that they cannot take the vaccine, would not be forced to.

And you must have totally missed this little paragraph:
When asked if Governor Andrew Cuomo would sign such a measure should it land on his desk, a spokesman for the governor pointed us back to Cuomo's comments of last week when he stated that you cannot make someone take a vaccine.

Take a step back from the computer, take a deep breath and try to calm down and think rationally. Don't let your emotions get the better of you.

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dmwalsh568 wrote:Rick1, I was trying to accept that you're being fooled by clickbait article titles, but this title even says directly that it's empowering the HEALTH DEPARTMENT to mandate the vaccines. And if you read the article it would give them the power in case not enough people accept the vaccine voluntarily.
Rosenthal also responded to questions raised about whether such a mandate would violate individual liberties by saying, "The state is not frivolously doing this. The state has a task force to review the vaccines. It's only at the point where there's a lack of herd immunity which protects every single resident of New York State that the department of health would step in."
Rosenthal also noted that a provision of the bill also ensures that anyone whose doctor determines that they cannot take the vaccine, would not be forced to.

And you must have totally missed this little paragraph:
When asked if Governor Andrew Cuomo would sign such a measure should it land on his desk, a spokesman for the governor pointed us back to Cuomo's comments of last week when he stated that you cannot make someone take a vaccine.

Take a step back from the computer, take a deep breath and try to calm down and think rationally. Don't let your emotions get the better of you.

OK, I will, now, I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that they mandate it. Laugh-Roll

P.S. Cuomo lied when he said you can't make someone take a vaccine, the 14th amendment says he can.

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Post by rick1 Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:50 pm

Adverse reactions to the covid vaccine in Alaska.

For me, I'm waiting to see how many people get real sick or die from the vaccine before I get it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/health/alaska-third-allergic-reaction-vaccine/index.html

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TRex2 wrote:
ReadyMom wrote:...
(SNIP) ... Speaking earlier at the conference, Marks said that three-month estimates for a coronavirus vaccine to enter human trials may be too aggressive.
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There are risks associated with any vaccine, and despite the dangers this virus presents, we don't want to make it worse by using a vaccine that might start it into mutations.

This has been a problem with using flu vaccines in swine and bird populations, the flu simply mutates to get around the vaccine.  
It is almost as if some people want this vaccination program to fail or have harmful after effects. The political authorities are moving to take an already risky vaccine, and change the dosing schedule to make it even more risky.

Everything below is from afludiary:
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2021/01/fda-statement-on-following-authorized.html
While it is remarkable that any (EUA) COVID vaccine was produced and released in late 2020, the quantity of vaccine available, and the initial roll out, have been less than hoped for even as little as a month ago.
Add in the rapid spread of a variant COVID (B.1.1.7) across the UK (and around the globe) - which has been blamed on a sharp rise in hospitalizations - and there is a strong sentiment to abandon the 2-dose regimen for now, and give as many people one shot as possible.
On December 30th, the UK's CMOs announced their support of the idea, in  Statement from the UK Chief Medical Officers on the prioritisation of first doses of COVID-19 vaccines:
The 4 UK Chief Medical Officers agree with the JCVI that at this stage of the pandemic prioritising the first doses of vaccine for as many people as possible on the priority list will protect the greatest number of at risk people overall in the shortest possible time and will have the greatest impact on reducing mortality, severe disease and hospitalisations and in protecting the NHS and equivalent health services. Operationally this will mean that second doses of both vaccines will be administered towards the end of the recommended vaccine dosing schedule of 12 weeks. This will maximise the number of people getting vaccine and therefore receiving protection in the next 12 weeks.
Not everyone agrees, however. There is little data on the duration of protectiveness from one shot, and concerns that (at least, in theory), a less effective vaccine could help drive the creation of more escape variants down the road.

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Category 5 coming on the new strains of coronavirus. Infectious disease expert recommends everyone get at least one shot, as soon as possible:


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-osterholm-category-5-hurricane-coronavirus_n_60178a0fc5b63b0fb2823174

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My daughter, who works in health care, had to get the covid vaccine to keep her job. Well, after she got the shot, her arm swelled up (a bid lump, the size of a soft ball formed on the area where they stuck her with the needle), she got a fever, headache and chills. I guess these are all the normal side affects of the shot.

I'm scheduled to get the shot this Thursday at the VA, hope to survive. Shocked

They call it covid arm:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cases-covid-arm-following-vaccination-documented-dermatologists

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rick1 wrote:My daughter, who works in health care, had to get the covid vaccine to keep her job. Well, after she got the shot, her arm swelled up (a bid lump, the size of a soft ball formed on the area where they stuck her with the needle), she got a fever, headache and chills. I guess these are all the normal side affects of the shot.

I'm scheduled to get the shot this Thursday at the VA, hope to survive. Shocked

They call it covid arm:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cases-covid-arm-following-vaccination-documented-dermatologists

Both my parents got the first shot (they are in their 80's) with no problem.. They are sch. to get the second in a week or so..

My wife and I are not going to get ours any time soon just to many unknowns right now..

Good luck Rick Let us know how it goes

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Dave58 wrote:
rick1 wrote:My daughter, who works in health care, had to get the covid vaccine to keep her job. Well, after she got the shot, her arm swelled up (a bid lump, the size of a soft ball formed on the area where they stuck her with the needle), she got a fever, headache and chills. I guess these are all the normal side affects of the shot.

I'm scheduled to get the shot this Thursday at the VA, hope to survive. Shocked

They call it covid arm:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cases-covid-arm-following-vaccination-documented-dermatologists

Both my parents got the first shot (they are in their 80's) with no problem.. They are sch. to get the second in a week or so..

My wife and I are not going to get ours any time soon just to many unknowns right now..

Good luck Rick   Let us know how it goes

OK, got my lst shot of Moderna covid vaccine yesterday at 8 a.m. at the VA, get my 2nd shot March 11th.

So far no adverse reaction to the shot, no side effects, etc., so far.

The VA gave me a 5 page summary of the covid shot and below the heading, it stated, "There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to prevent covid-19. The Moderna covid-19 vaccine may not protect everyone."

They gave me a certification card, with the date, lot number, who gave the shot, and saying I got the 1st shot and will certify the 2nd shot once I get it. The VA told me to make extra copies. I asked why, they said that they were told that in the near future that if you plan on using any public transportation, international or interstate travel, you will be required to carry the card in order to board a plane, train, bus, etc..

Talk about wanting control of a person life. Shocked

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rick1 wrote: The VA told me to make extra copies. I asked why, they said that they were told that in the near future that if you plan on using any public transportation, international or interstate travel, you will be required to carry the card in order to board a plane, train, bus, etc..

Talk about wanting control of a person life. Shocked
Shocked I have NO plans to get the vaccine.

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rick1 wrote: The VA told me to make extra copies. I asked why, they said that they were told that in the near future that if you plan on using any public transportation, international or interstate travel, you will be required to carry the card in order to board a plane, train, bus, etc..

Talk about wanting control of a person life. Shocked
 Shocked   I have NO plans to get the vaccine.

I was the same way ReadyMom, but 2 of our kids got them, they're in the medical field and they did all the research before they got theirs. Unless your allergic to a medication or a certain food item, you should be OK, maybe.

Some people, a handful, have died, days or weeks after they got the shot, but they can't say that the shot caused their death.



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ALERT FOR THE FEMALE SPECIES

Ya like that title?

Well, for the females out there, after getting the covid-19 vaccine, the reaction of the shot could give false symptoms of breast cancer. So, you guys tell your wives about this and check it out:

https://consumer.healthday.com/2-11-reaction-from-covid-vaccine-can-sometimes-mimic-breast-cancer-symptoms-doctors-say-2650404720.html

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