Discussion & News: China----(JANUARY 2019)

we're going to have a pandemic with the transmissibility of flu and the CFR and treatment options of SARS.

Scientists now believe that the deadly virus spreading around the globe from China was passed to humans from snakes sold at the open-air market in Wuhan.

1- it's worse than the Chinese are saying and they are desperately trying to control it now. It already spreading to other regions so I'm not sure how helpful the quarantine will be.

quarantine will last 2 incubation periods and then will be reexamined. Use this real life test to imagine what would happen here if your area was suddenly quarantined.

1- Why would they quarantine a city of 11 million just because a handful of people died ??? (Reminds me of Captain Trips in The Stand)..
2- Is this a man made virus and it has got away from them and they can't seem to get ahead of it ???

Captain Trips is a nickname for the constantly-shifting antigen virus that exterminates 99.4% of the human population in The Stand.

Wuhan virus: China locks down Huanggang, imposes tough travel restrictions in 3 other cities, after Wuhan lockdown

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:This guy who helped contain SARS is predicting this will be worse.  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7920373/Expert-warns-Chinese-coronavirus-outbreak-10-TIMES-worse-SARS.html

A leading Chinese virology expert has warned that the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic
could be 10 times as bad as the Sars outbreak that killed almost 800 people around the world in 2002-03.

Guan Yi, director of the State Key Laboratory of Emerging Infectious Diseases at Hong Kong University, said in an interview with Caixin magazine on Thursday that after a brief visit to the central China city on Tuesday and Wednesday, he “chose to become a deserter” and left.

“My conservative estimate is that this epidemic could end up at least 10 times the scale of Sars [severe acute respiratory disease],” he said.

TRex2 wrote:

dmwalsh568 wrote:...
Has anyone told China about closing the barn door after the horses have fled?

The horse didn't flee. The Chinese ate him.
Things have been rough over there.

Chairman Mao was the rider on their White Horse.
The cultural revolution was their rider on the Red Horse.
The rider on the Black Horse is riding through their country.
The rider on the Pale Horse is knocking at their door.
(Explanation of the four horsemen)
https://www.gotquestions.org/four-horsemen-apocalypse.html

Wuhan is a huge place - the 42nd biggest city in the world, according to UN data - and cannot easily be turned into an isolation ward.

More than 20 major roads come into Wuhan, plus dozens of smaller ones. Even with public transport closed, sealing the city would require a massive military effort.

"The only way you could do it, realistically, would be to ring-fence the city with the PLA [Chinese military]," says Professor Adam Kamradt-Scott, a health security expert from the University of Sydney.

But even if they do it, where - literally - would they draw the line? Like most modern cities, Wuhan sprawls into smaller towns and villages.

"Cities are shaped in unorthodox ways," says Professor Mikhail Prokopenko, a pandemics expert also from the University of Sydney,

"You can't really block every road and every connection. It may be possible to an extent... but it's not a foolproof measure."

Gauden Galea, the World Health Organization's representative in China, puts it more bluntly.

"To my knowledge, trying to contain a city of 11 million people is new to science," he told the Associated Press. "We cannot at this stage say it will or it will not work."

And - even if it proves possible to shut the stable door on Wuhan - the horse may already have bolted.

BEIJING (BLOOMBERG) - Several people who have died from a new virus in China did not display symptoms of fever, potentially complicating global efforts to check for infected travellers as they arrive at airports and other travel hubs.

Details released by China's National Health Commission show five of the 17 people who died after being infected with novel coronavirus displayed other symptoms such as breathing difficulty, chest tightness and coughing.

The oldest victim, an 89-year-old man, was suffering from drowsiness and incontinence, as well as a fever. He sought medical help on Jan 5 and died on Jan 18. He had pre-existing conditions, including hypertension.

The absence of fever in some cases indicates that temperature screening, the most common measure being used at transport links and airports to check travellers, may not identify some infected people...

Interface News Dialogue A nurse at a hospital in Wuhan participated in the treatment of patients infected with the new coronavirus.
Image source: Hero Creative. Image source: Hero Creative.

Reporter | Chen Xin Ma Qiao Intern reporter Ou Yun Belek

Wuhan became the focus of public opinion due to the epidemic.

As of 24:00 on January 22, the National Health Commission had received a total of 571 confirmed cases of pneumonia of new coronavirus infection in 25 provinces (autonomous regions, municipalities) in China, including 95 severe cases and 17 deaths (both from Hubei Province). . A total of 393 suspected cases were reported in 13 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities).

武汉 After Wuhan announced the "closing of the city", the interface news dialogue with a well-known local hospital is on the front line to participate in the treatment of nurses infected with the new coronavirus.

According to the medical staff, the number of patients began to increase sharply after the hospital discovered the first case of new coronavirus infection in Wuhan at the end of December 2019. "During this time, doctors and nurses are overloaded and work overtime every day."

"All the isolation wards are already saturated." The medical staff said that if many patients have unclear symptoms, the doctor will prescribe some oral medications or infusions during the day. Because the beds are very tight, some of them need to be separated from home. Even some patients have reached the standard of hospitalization, but because they do not have a bed, they can only implement home isolation.

Interface news: When did your hospital first have the first suspected case and confirmed case?

Nurse ：: It was discovered by our department around the end of December 2019. After knowing the news of the South China Seafood Wholesale Market, we started to screen our patients and asked them if they had a related contact history.

Interface news: How did the hospital and the local health department judge when the pneumonia first appeared? How did you get nervous step by step after that?

Nurse: Everyone is starting to be vigilant, we don't treat it as ordinary flu. On December 31, 2019, the hospital released documents on how to investigate, consult and identify suspected cases of pneumonia of unknown origin. After we reported to the CDC, the CDC did not take samples at that time. Sampling and diagnosis need to be notified, and sampling confirmation cannot be performed without notification.

Hospital set up a special fever clinic on January 4, 2020 to prevent these patients from mixing with emergency patients.

Interface news: It has been circulating on the Internet that some hospitals in Wuhan have refused admission.

Nurse ：: I think there may be a situation where the beds are full and it ca n’t be received. All the isolated wards in our hospital are already saturated.

As far as I know, even the patients who have been hospitalized for observation in the fever clinic are sitting in the infusion. But I don't believe any hospital will refuse to accept it with a bed.

Interface news: What doctors would recommend for home isolation?

Nurse: If there are many patients with unclear symptoms, the doctor will prescribe some oral medications according to his condition, or he will receive hot fluids during the day. Because the beds are very tight now and there are no beds, some of them may be separated from their homes. Some patients have even reached the standard of hospitalization, but because they do not have a bed, they can only implement home isolation.

There should still be a large number of people at home. At present, we recommend that patients at home be separated for a two-week observation period, mainly with oral medications. If you feel worse, you can go to the hospital at any time. As far as I know, there are cases where home isolation has turned into a confirmed diagnosis.

Interface News: What treatment options are currently used for diagnosed or critically ill patients? For example, in the news report, the use of ECMO (External Membrane Oxygenation) to successfully cure patients.

Nurse: At present, our mainstream treatment plan is mainly anti-virus and anti-infection, and then symptomatic treatment is performed according to other symptoms of patients. ECMO (Extracorporeal Pulmonary Oxygenation) is a first aid technique used primarily in emergency departments. ECMO technology can be used in severe cases, this technology is not a conventional treatment of this disease. What the news says should not cure the patient, but it may be that this patient successfully rescued the patient after using ECMO technology after the viral pneumonia became critical. It should be temporarily stabilized.

Interface news: What do you do in the process of contacting suspected or confirmed cases?

Nurse: We mainly care for patients. The usual care should be the same as other patients, except that we have isolated them for observation. We must also protect ourselves.

Interface news: Are there any upgrades in protection measures for medical staff?

Nurse: The emergence of this infectious disease is regulated for protection standards. From the very beginning, our department has been standard prevention, and what kind of protection to take according to the degree of contact with your patients. For example, if the patient is in the isolation ward, he can only wear isolation clothing if he only enters the corridor of the isolation ward. If you are in close contact with the patient for operation, you need to wear protective clothing, goggles, or a face shield or helmet. What kind of protection you take depends on what kind of contact you have with the patient.

Interface News: There are now reports that many protective supplies are out of stock. Is the hospital's material reserves adequate in this regard?

Nurse ：: Our hospital should have sufficient reserves. Protective equipment has been prepared in advance. Disposable protective equipment is applied for by each department or isolated ward according to its own demand. There is also a certain standard procedure for the disposal of used medical waste.

Interface news: So far, are the medical staff in your hospital more infected?

Nurse: Medical staff in the infection department have the most infections. The staff of our department went to check today that there were 3 suspected cases, and they are all being observed in isolation.

Interface news: How strong is the work?

Nurse: There are fewer medical staff than patients. The number of patients is increasing rapidly, doctors and nurses are overloaded, and they have to work overtime every day. Take our department as an example. Recently, all employees have been working overtime. Many doctors and nurses may work more than 10 hours a day, like today I work 13 hours faster. The head of our department is shifting from fever to fever. There is no time to eat, drink water or go to the toilet.

Interface news: How long does it take for isolation to be confirmed?

Nurse ：: The incubation period for the median isolation of this disease is about 14 days. Our colleagues in the department had no fever symptoms at first, but CT detected that there was indeed a change in suspected viral pneumonia. Therefore, Isolation was performed at home. Because they have no related symptoms, they are still working normally today.

Interface news: Do you worry about bringing some viruses or bacteria to your home after you return home every day?

Nurse ：: To be honest, I am very worried. As a mother, my children are all very young. I told my colleague that I was not even afraid of being infected, but I was afraid of bringing the virus home to the child. So most of the medical staff in the departments I know sent their children to other places and stayed in Wuhan alone.

Interface news: Will you worry about the next infected person appearing next to you?

Nurse ：: There are already infected people around me, and each of us will worry about the next one to be identified, and we can only remind ourselves to take precautions at all times. I try not to go out after work now, soak and wash with disinfectant after going home for UV disinfection. I was afraid that I could spread the virus to others and endanger the health of others.

As medical personnel, we are also ordinary people. We are also afraid of death due to old age, sickness of death, and fear of infection. But since we did this, that is our responsibility. In front of patients, we have to do our own thing. I don't think doctors can be said to be particularly great or noble, but at least they are brave occupations. In such a difficult time, as a medical staff, I must be on the front line, and it is also worthy of being respected.

鑫 Chen Xin Stella / Interface Reporter
Editor-in-Chief: Zhao Ming
Keywords: medical staff

Professor Neil Ferguson, Vice-Dean for Academic Development of Imperial College London’s School of Medicine, told London reporters on Jan. 22 that the novel coronavirus (2019-nCov) and the 1918 H1N1 virus have “roughly the same” mortality rate.

“This [2019-nCoV’s death rate] could be two percent, similar to Spanish flu,” Ferguson told Yahoo News.  (*RM's Note:  *could be*!! NOT *is*!!)

On January 22, 2020, the Red Cross Hospital, a designated hospital for fever patients in Wuhan, was overcrowded, and the doctors were treated in protective clothing.

It is impossible to compare with the SARS epidemic. The SARS transmission chain is clear, but Wuhan pneumonia has spread.

Guan Yi just returned from Wuhan yesterday (January 22).

"Even I chose to be a deserter." Guan Yi is an expert in the field of virology and currently serves as the director of the State Key Laboratory of Emerging Infectious Diseases and the Director of the Influenza Research Center of the University of Hong Kong. Earlier in an interview with Caixin reporters, Accurate judgments have been made on Wuhan's human-to-human transmission and development curve. (See the report from SARS expert Guan Yi: Wuhan pneumonia development curve is highly similar to SARS)

"I'm segregating myself now." Guan Yi locked himself in the room. From January 21st to 22nd, he and his team came to Wuhan, hoping to help find animal sources and cooperation in epidemic prevention, but "there is no power, Sadness comes from the heart. "

Caixin Reporter: What have you observed in Wuhan recently?

Guan Yi: I arrived in Wuhan on the 21st and arrived at a local vegetable market called Xiaodongmen Market at 3 pm. The scene was peaceful and many people were still busy buying New Year's goods. I was extremely surprised. Because this time Wuhan pneumonia originated from the South China seafood market, the source of animal infections has not yet been found, and other vegetable markets appear to be unsatisfactory. The Xiaodongmen market is humid, with poor sanitation and poor ventilation. I observe that less than 10% of the people in the market wear masks.

After that, I met some local departments again. At night, I judged that the epidemic situation was out of control in Wuhan. Even people like me who have been “struggled in battle” must be deserters, so I quickly settled on the 22nd. Out-of-city tickets.

At the airport the next day, I was surprised again that I dropped my chin. The airport's passenger flow has dropped significantly, and the airport actually has individual tours.

What's even more puzzling is that the ground of the airport is not disinfected, and only the thermometer is used to monitor the body temperature. I observed that in the Wuhan terminal, only sporadic places such as Starbucks put disinfectant.

When I passed the security check, the little security girl holding the luggage box was wearing only the simplest disposable mask. I said: Girl, the quality of your mask is not good, and you are in contact with so many passengers every day. She said that she was not allowed to wear it because she was worried about affecting the image, which was prepared by herself.

This shows that even though the central authorities have spoken highly in the past two days, the local health protection has not been upgraded at all. I thought at the time that this was going to be a "state of war." Why hadn't the alarm been raised? The people were so pitiful that they were still preparing for the New Year with peace of mind and had no sense of the epidemic.

Caixin Reporter: What progress have you made in finding animal sources in Wuhan?

Guan Yi: I ate a lot behind closed doors, and there were not many scientific research institutions willing to cooperate. They are inertia in management and may consider themselves more capable.

But the key point I want to point out was that the South China Seafood Market was closed, the floor was washed, and the "crime scene" was gone. How can we solve the case without evidence? Tracing the source of an animal is a relatively complicated process. I cannot easily find an animal with a virus and blame it as the culprit. It requires scientific analysis such as scale and system.

Caixin Reporter: How to treat Wuhan ’s closure?

Guan Yi: Evaluating a measure depends on the time and effect. At the time, I feel that the golden prevention and control period has been missed, and I am not optimistic about the effect. According to my observations, the flow of people on the streets of Wuhan City has significantly decreased on the 21st, the Spring Festival tide is almost over, and many young people or hometowns have returned home for the Chinese New Year. They may have come into contact with patients in the community and left the city It is still in the incubation period, and it is likely to be mobile viruses. When these people returned to their hometowns, they took the virus to all parts of the country. Starting from their departure on the 17th and 18th, people on the 25th and 26th may need to pay more attention.

In addition, those who have left the city will not or do not understand how to isolate themselves. I don't think the local government has done anything, and even a quarantine guide has not been given to those who have left the city.

On January 20th, the National Health and Medical Commission has issued a document to include Wuhan pneumonia into the legal management of Class B infectious diseases, and adopted measures for the prevention and control of Class A infectious diseases. However, according to my observations and investigations, I still have Wuhan Undefended city.

Caixin Reporter: How to determine the trend of the next epidemic?

Guan Yi: The outbreak is certain. "Wuhan's nine provinces are all connected", coupled with missing the gold prevention and control period, and the tide of the Spring Festival, some people do nothing.


I have also counted hundreds of battles and experienced bird flu, SARS, H5N1, swine fever and so on. But for this pneumonia in Wuhan, I really feel extremely weak. There is simply no comparison with the SARS epidemic. At that time, SARS first developed in several cities in the Pearl River Delta, followed by Beijing and Hong Kong.


60% -70% of the SARS infected people are from individual super communicators, and the transmission chain is very clear, as long as the contacts of those people are blocked. But this time, the source of transmission has been fully spread, and epidemiological investigations are no longer possible. And to control costs, you should use a geometric digital meter.


It is conservatively estimated that the scale of the infection may eventually take off 10 times that of SARS. I've experienced so much, I've never felt scared, most of them are controllable, but this time I'm scared.


Caixin Reporter: As an individual, what can you do now, and how should you do it?


Guan Yi:If you have been to Wuhan, please isolate yourself. Take myself as an example. When I left Wuhan, I wore a mask all the way on the plane. As soon as I got off the plane, I used alcohol disinfectant to disinfect all my clothes, shoes, and suitcases. The house was self-isolated for at least five days, and reported every morning and evening with or without symptoms. Other people who have not been to Wuhan try to go to public places as little as possible. Once they feel uncomfortable, seek medical treatment as soon as possible and avoid contact with others.


Caixin Reporter: Why is there a sudden increase in new cases? You have expressed optimistic judgment in an interview with Ta Kung Pao earlier.


Guan Yi: I have reported no new cases for a few days before. At that time, I was still a little optimistic. If there are no new cases in a few days, that is, more than 12 days, it means we will win this tough battle. (In the circular issued by the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission from January 11 to 16, all 41 cases of pneumonia with new coronavirus infection were maintained, no new cases were added.)


But now there are a lot of new cases. I want to say that it's not more powerful than anyone else, it's really about being responsible to the country and the people.

Wuhan will build a special hospital to treat patients with new coronary pneumonia by referring to the "Xiaotangshan" model
January 24, 2020 06:36 Source: China News Network

China News Service, Wuhan, January 24 (Reporter Xu Jinbo, Zhang Qin) The reporter learned from Wuhan New Crown Pneumonia Prevention and Control Headquarters on the 24th that in order to strengthen the treatment of patients with new crown pneumonia, the city will build the area with reference to the model of Beijing Xiaotangshan Hospital A specialized hospital of 25,000 square meters was completed and put into use before February 3.

On January 22, Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University fully treated patients with pneumonitis infected by a new type of coronavirus. The picture shows the rescue of critically ill patients. Photo by Gao Xiang, China News Agency

Since the outbreak of pneumonia of new coronavirus infection at the end of last year, Wuhan has adopted the principle of “concentrating patients, resources, experts, and treatment” to treat patients, and has been in the city's Jinyintan Hospital, the city's pulmonary hospital, and the city's Hankou hospital. A number of designated hospitals have set up beds for treating patients, and there are also 61 fever clinics in the city.

Relevant person in charge of Wuhan New Crown Pneumonia Prevention and Control Headquarters introduced on the 24th that in order to alleviate the shortage of existing medical resources and further increase the treatment of patients, the city will refer to the Beijing Xiaotangshan Hospital model near the Wuhan Staff Sanatorium in Zhiyin Lake, Caidian District. Adopt the form of movable board room to build a special hospital to treat patients with new coronary pneumonia.

At present, Wuhan Urban Construction Bureau has set up a hospital construction headquarters and held a special meeting to determine that the hospital was designed by CITIC Architectural Design Institute. The 4 units including China Construction Third Bureau, Wuhan Construction Engineering, Wuhan Municipal Government, and Hanyang Municipal Government jointly constructed the hospital. In the early morning of the 24th, the headquarters has mobilized 35 forklifts, 10 bulldozers, and 8 road rollers to the hospital construction site, and began related preparations such as land leveling.

负责 The person in charge said that the hospital has a construction area of ​​25,000 square meters and can accommodate 1,000 beds. The related design plan will be completed on the 24th and it is expected to be completed and put into use by February 3. "Because the hospital is a mobile board room, it is not only fast to build, but also does not cost much, which is very practical." He said.

The reporter learned from the China Construction Third Bureau on the same day that relevant personnel of the unit's project construction have abandoned the Spring Festival holiday and rushed to the construction site. At the same time, they are urgently purchasing emergency supplies such as goggles, masks, and medical gloves to the construction site, and will complete the quality and quantity as scheduled. Hospital construction tasks.

It is reported that in April 2003, in order to effectively control the SARS epidemic, Xiaotangshan Hospital was built in 7 days, with a construction area of ​​25,000 square meters and a capacity of 1,000 beds. The hospital treated one-seventh of the country within two months. The "SARS" patient has created a miracle in the history of human medicine. (Finish)

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has raised its travel notice for Wuhan, China, to the highest of three levels, according to its website.

"CDC recommends that travelers avoid all nonessential travel to Wuhan, China,” it said in announcing the increase to “Warning - Level 3” status.

The CDC recommends that travelers “remain alert if traveling to other parts of China” by avoiding contact with sick people, animals and animal markets. China as a whole carries a “Watch - Level 1” travel advisory.

For those who traveled to China in the past two weeks and have symptoms such as fever, cough or trouble breathing, the agency recommends seeking immediate care, avoiding contact with others, not traveling, and practicing proper hygiene.

The CDC says that symptoms of the Wuhan coronavirus may appear in as little as 2 days and up to 14, according to its website. This is based largely on what the agency knows about MERS — a different type of coronavirus.

Health experts say there is still a lot to unravel about how — and how quickly — the virus spreads.

"At this time, it’s unclear how easily or sustainably this virus is spreading between people,” the CDC said.

While the World Health Organization (WHO) held off on declaring a global emergency despite confirmed cases in half a dozen other countries, China expanded its lockdown to cover an area with a total population greater than Canada's.

“Construction of the special hospital with a capacity of 1,000 beds for patients with #nCoV2019 (Coronavirus) has begun in Wuhan, according to the model of the hospital built in seven days in Beijing to deal with #SARS in 2003. The construction is scheduled to be completed by February 3,”

"I think we have passed the golden period of control and prevention," said Guan Yi, an expert on viruses at Hong Kong University.

rick1 wrote:One of the links posted here (can't remember which one), a doctor stated that he predicts this outbreak will be worse than the spanish flu of the early 1900's.

Now that's scary.

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:

I'm watching what they are doing. There are a few things that I think is going on and information in drawing my conclusions from,


They are urgently trying to build a massive expedient hospital to treat all the infected. Their current medical system is totally overwhelmed

Somewhere between 30-60 MILLION are completely quarantined and no travel.

The military is now involved with the quarantine with orders to contain using any means.

Rumors that the Chinese PLA air Force was using aerial powdery pesticide/cleaner on Wuhan city

Many videos have leaked out showing people just keeling over and dying in the street or elsewhere.

The grocery stores in quarantine zone are already empty

This disease is probably already spread farther than they realize, I want to see where else it pops up in the next 1-4 days. This outbreak occurred right during travel season of Chinese new year.

China is behaving like it's out of control.

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:...
They are urgently trying to build a massive expedient hospital to treat all the infected. Their current medical system is totally overwhelmed
....

Wuhan is a huge place - the 42nd biggest city in the world, according to UN data - and cannot easily be turned into an isolation ward.

ReadyMom wrote:Husband came home ... I HAVE to get off the laptop for a while. Don't want to .... but should. I have tasks half-started because I keep coming back!

TRex2 wrote:

I was wrong about my earlier assessments.

ReadyMom wrote:

TRex2 wrote:

I was wrong about my earlier assessments.

Oh, TR! I do NOT want to read that from you. YOU were keeping me GROUNDED! I would post and in the back of my head, I would think of you and how calm you are.

NOW what do I do????  

ReadyMom wrote:

TRex2 wrote:
I was wrong about my earlier assessments.

Oh, TR! I do NOT want to read that from you. YOU were keeping me GROUNDED! I would post and in the back of my head, I would think of you and how calm you are.
NOW what do I do????  

TRex2 wrote:

ReadyMom wrote:

TRex2 wrote:
I was wrong about my earlier assessments.

Oh, TR! I do NOT want to read that from you. YOU were keeping me GROUNDED! I would post and in the back of my head, I would think of you and how calm you are.
NOW what do I do????  

Remember, no matter how bad this gets, we, here in this forum, are better prepared than 96% of those not here.

If that fails, remember this:

Jesus Is Always In Charge.

(Frankly, I don't know why we always leave that for last.)

A Chinese medical expert who assured the public that the “Wuhan pneumonia is controllable” has been diagnosed with the novel coronavirus after visiting Wuhan City as one of the chief medical consultants for this new viral pneumonia.

Dave58 wrote:My wife and I could self quarantine.. I don't think it would be a problem as we have lots of things to do here.. Also we live in the country and the neighbors are not real close so going outside shouldn't be a problem..

It really depends on how long we would have to stay at home I am retired , but my wife still works , so paying bills might become a challenge

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:

Dave58 wrote:My wife and I could self quarantine.. I don't think it would be a problem as we have lots of things to do here.. Also we live in the country and the neighbors are not real close so going outside shouldn't be a problem..

It really depends on how long we would have to stay at home I am retired , but my wife still works , so paying bills might become a challenge

For you guys it would be relatively easy.


I'm in a different position. My kids go to school and  both myself and my wife have to work to pay bills mortgage etc...  I have to be relatively CERTAIN the world is about to go to hell before I'm willing to risk all that.  Right now, no.  Just taking extra hygene precaution and trying to limit contact.  I also work for a large fortune 250 corporation at a major location where people from my location regularly travel to places like India and China.  So ... I'm nervous. I'm going to try to basically just anchor myself to my desk, hide from everyone and constantly sanatize.  



According to new reports the death rate has increased to 5%

Dave58 wrote:

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:

Dave58 wrote:My wife and I could self quarantine.. I don't think it would be a problem as we have lots of things to do here.. Also we live in the country and the neighbors are not real close so going outside shouldn't be a problem..

It really depends on how long we would have to stay at home I am retired , but my wife still works , so paying bills might become a challenge

For you guys it would be relatively easy.


I'm in a different position. My kids go to school and  both myself and my wife have to work to pay bills mortgage etc...  I have to be relatively CERTAIN the world is about to go to hell before I'm willing to risk all that.  Right now, no.  Just taking extra hygene precaution and trying to limit contact.  I also work for a large fortune 250 corporation at a major location where people from my location regularly travel to places like India and China.  So ... I'm nervous. I'm going to try to basically just anchor myself to my desk, hide from everyone and constantly sanatize.  



According to new reports the death rate has increased to 5%

My wife works as a pharmacy tech so the biggest  part of the people she has to deal with are already sick and unfortunately we still need her income... We carry hand sanitizer in our pockets nothing wrong with the extra hygiene...

The only saving grace is the fact that all of us here have been waiting on something to happen so we are all pretty much ready...

That being said I just wanted to say thank you everybody the has posted on here to share information. Sometimes it takes a village

Translation Google

Wuhan Pneumonia / First Medical Staff Death! Chief of Otolaryngology died on New Year's Day

January 25, 2020 Editing / Lin Junjun

At 8 o'clock in the morning (25th) in Wuhan pneumonia, the Commission for Health and Health received cumulative reports from 29 provinces (autonomous regions, municipalities), which confirmed 1287 cases, suspected 1965 cases and 41 deaths. It is worth noting that a doctor who was a doctor of Integrated Traditional Chinese and Western Medicine Hospital in Hubei Province was suspected to be infected with the virus. He died at 7 am on the 25th, becoming the first death of a medical staff.

According to the "Peng Mei News" report, Liang Wudong, director of the Wuhan Department of Otorhinolaryngology, was suspected to be infected with the new coronavirus pneumonia on the 16th, and was referred to the Jinyintan Hospital on the 18th. He died at 7 am on the 25th after the treatment, at the age of 62.

https://www.ctwant.com/article/34366

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Otolaryngologist Liang Wudong, Hubei Provincial Hospital of Integrated Traditional Chinese and Western Medicine, died of new crown pneumonia

Surging news reporter Liao Yan
2020-01-25 09:20 Source: Surging News

At 9:12 on the morning of January 25, a staff member of the Department of Otolaryngology of Hubei Province Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine Hospital (Xinhua Hospital) told Peng Mei News that on January 16, 2020, the hospital's ENT surgeon Liang Wudong was suspected of contracting a new type of coronary Viral pneumonia, he was transferred to the Jinyintan Hospital on the 18th, and died at 7 am on January 25 at the age of 62.

Editor-in-chief: Huang Yanjie
https://m.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_5631069

Dave58 wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/richardker/status/1221074001688027137

Sounds like they are going to try and close down Beijing on Sunday... I guess they are trying to let all the New Years people get home first

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:

Dave58 wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/richardker/status/1221074001688027137

Sounds like they are going to try and close down Beijing on Sunday... I guess they are trying to let all the New Years people get home first

Read my above post.

That post, and yours saying that bejing is going to be closed tells me S is hitting the fan there. It's pretty much as bad as we think it is.

TRex2 wrote:The majority of bad news seems to be coming true, with a detail here and there missing the ballpark entirely. I would say that some of the doomsday reports were made up, but then the virus turned out to be as bad as the exaggerations.

For instance, I have seen nothing that indicates snakes or dogs were involved in this, in any way, but both were reported.

A few weeks ago, Dilbert had a cartoon saying we had reached "Parody Inversion" and that reality was as crazy as the parodies we try to make about it.

He may have been prophetic.

But remember: Jesus is still in control.

As more data on the new coronavirus circulating in China emerges, it’s becoming clear that whatever the country is experiencing now—dozens of deaths, hundreds of people hospitalized, cities of millions quarantined—is just the tip of the outbreak.

On Friday, a team of researchers based in the UK and US reported in a preliminary paper that the number of confirmed cases at the outbreak’s epicenter in Wuhan reflects only 5 percent of people who are actually infected. That would mean that for Tuesday, the last day they included in their analysis, the real number of cases is not 440, as has been reported, but is more like 12,000.

The numbers are grossly deflated. I'm an emotional mess right now. I teach kids in China online. I have two in Wuhan, the city of 11 million where the outbreak started. The stories the kids are telling are very different from the "official" story. One girl said that 653 people have died in her neighborhood alone.

A teenager who speaks English with near-native fluency says the government is telling people not to go to the hospital, that the hospitals cannot help them and that they will only make more people sick. He said that most of the deaths are being attributed to pneumonia since people are dying in their homes without officially being diagnosed. He said that people are afraid to leave their homes and are trying to subsist on what little food they have in their homes. He said that they had only thin rice porridge for Chinese New Year (a traditional feast) because his mother said they must make their food last as long as possible.

One girl (not my student) told her teacher that her brother had been hospitalized for three days and was recovering, that her mother got sick caring for her brother and was now very ill, that her grandfather had been taken away to a hospital, and that she and her father had started coughing. ... My heart is breaking. A few weeks ago, these kids were counting down the days to the holiday. Now, even my bubbliest students are somber.

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The numbers are grossly deflated. I'm an emotional mess right now. I teach kids in China online. I have two in Wuhan, the city of 11 million where the outbreak started. The stories the kids are telling are very different from the "official" story. One girl said that 653 people have died in her neighborhood alone.

A teenager who speaks English with near-native fluency says the government is telling people not to go to the hospital, that the hospitals cannot help them and that they will only make more people sick. He said that most of the deaths are being attributed to pneumonia since people are dying in their homes without officially being diagnosed. He said that people are afraid to leave their homes and are trying to subsist on what little food they have in their homes. He said that they had only thin rice porridge for Chinese New Year (a traditional feast) because his mother said they must make their food last as long as possible.

One girl (not my student) told her teacher that her brother had been hospitalized for three days and was recovering, that her mother got sick caring for her brother and was now very ill, that her grandfather had been taken away to a hospital, and that she and her father had started coughing. ... My heart is breaking. A few weeks ago, these kids were counting down the days to the holiday. Now, even my bubbliest students are somber.