Russian Concerns

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:...
Wouldn't surprise me to see Russia deploy missiles to Venezuela or Cuba in a tit for tat. Technically that would be a military response. Just because he mentions a military response doesn't mean it has to be a kinetic attack, it could be posturing and positioning.

rick1 wrote:If Putin does that, we'll see if corn pop has the cahonas that JFK had.   But my bet is corn pop will retreat to his cave.

TRex2 wrote:

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:...
Wouldn't surprise me to see Russia deploy missiles to Venezuela or Cuba in a tit for tat. Technically that would be a military response. Just because he mentions a military response doesn't mean it has to be a kinetic attack, it could be posturing and positioning.

And if some stuff I read a few months back (and neglected to keep) is accurate, the missile bases are already built.

rick1 wrote:If Putin does that, we'll see if corn pop has the cahonas that JFK had.   But my bet is corn pop will retreat to his cave.

I wouldn't bet against that.

Dave58 wrote:This is worrisome

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-warns-nato-everyone-25759453

rick1 wrote:

Dave58 wrote:This is worrisome

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-warns-nato-everyone-25759453

I think this is more fear mongering then anything else. Just like if the U.S./EU put missiles in Ukraine, I guess Putin doesn't believe missiles are already nearby, Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea and under water.

Dave58 wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/russians-have-already-started-hybrid-war-with-bomb-threats-cyberattacks-ukraine-says-11644748413

rick1 wrote:

Dave58 wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/russians-have-already-started-hybrid-war-with-bomb-threats-cyberattacks-ukraine-says-11644748413

Once Russia takes Ukraine's grid down, the war games will begin.

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:

rick1 wrote:

Dave58 wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/russians-have-already-started-hybrid-war-with-bomb-threats-cyberattacks-ukraine-says-11644748413

Once Russia takes Ukraine's grid down, the war games will begin.

Absolutely. As soon as you hear of internet outages, cell networks going down, grid down etc it's game over for Ukraine

The U.S. cyber defense agency issued a broad national warning Friday night that Russia's potential invasion of Ukraine could spill into hacks against American computer networks.

The advisory issued by the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency said it was not responding to any specific threats, but acting as a general precaution that conflict with Russia could lead to cyberattacks.

While there are not currently any credible threats to the U.S. homeland, we are mindful of the potential for Russia to consider escalating its actions in ways that could affect others outside of Ukraine, it reads.

It warned that every organization in the United States is at risk from cyber threats that can disrupt essential services and potentially cause harm to public safety, because of the broad vulnerability of many U.S. computer networks to hackers.

Dave58 wrote:I think somebody has been hitting the crack pipe


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513527/Putin-step-Russian-tanks-artillery-seen-moving-Ukraine-attack-positions.html

Dave58 wrote:I think somebody has been hitting the crack pipe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513527/Putin-step-Russian-tanks-artillery-seen-moving-Ukraine-attack-positions.html

Dave58 wrote:Looks like he is pulling back    

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis/ukraine-fears-provocation-as-shelling-in-reported-in-east-idUSKBN2KM107

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:It's definitely on.
Look for a "provocation" and and escalation starting today into next few days.
It's going to happen. There's no backing down or withdrawal

TRex2 wrote:

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:It's definitely on.
Look for a "provocation" and and escalation starting today into next few days.
It's going to happen. There's no backing down or withdrawal

I would say "highly probable" rather than "definitely."

But otherwise, I agree.

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:This is a fairly bold statement
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-says-may-forced-respond-184439508.html

"In the absence of the readiness of the American side to agree on firm, legally binding guarantees of ensuring our security by the United States and its allies, Russia will be forced to respond, including through the implementation of military-technical measures," the Kremlin said on Thursday in an 11-page response to written proposals submitted by the US in late January on Moscow's security demands.

The US and NATO have firmly rejected Russia's demand that Ukraine be forever banned from the alliance, stating that countries should be free to choose their own allies and defensive partnerships. Though Ukraine has sought to join NATO for years, it's not on the formal track to become a member at any point in the near future. But with an estimated 150,000 troops surrounding Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin has demanded that the issue be resolved now.

Dave58 wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10523601/Kamala-Harris-leaves-Munich-Conference-artillery-rings-Ukraine.html

...showdown at the United Nations in New York.

Vershinin, who chaired the meeting by virtue of Russia holding the Security Council presidency, knew what was coming.

'Colleagues, I would like to finally ask that you resist the temptation to play to the cameras and will not make this meeting of ours into a circus and will not present here baseless accusations saying that Russia allegedly was going to attack Ukraine,' he said.

Blinken, who pushed back plans to travel to Europe in order to attend, was next to speak. He bumped fists with Britain's Minister for Europe James Cleverly as he sat down, in a sign of the close alliance the high stakes.

Blinken said Russia was preparing for an invasion 'in the coming days.'

It would start with creating an excuse to attack.

'We don't know exactly the formal take,' he said.

'It could be a fabricated so-called terrorist bombing inside Russia, the invented discovery of the mass grave, a staged drone strike against civilians, or a fake - even a real - attack using chemical weapons.'

Blondie wrote:Anyone notice that Cmdr. Pudding Cup delayed his press conference yesterday and kept the press waiting for about an hour to seemingly coincide with the natural gas pipeline explosion?

And I thought he was changing his Depends.

rick1 wrote:Uncle Vladimir is on a roll, practice make perfect:

https://www.newsmax.com/headline/putin/2022/02/19/id/1057570/?ns_mail_uid=ed113837-94a1-4b8d-8fab-a7f206fd5031&ns_mail_job=DM304017_02192022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010504wx7305

Russia's FSB security service said two shells landed on Russian territory near the border, Russia's Tass news agency reported. One hit a building in Rostov region but no one was hurt, it said.

Dave58 wrote:I don't know how true this is

https://www.defconlevel.com/european-command-news.php

rick1 wrote:If you can believe Blinken and CBS news, Uncle Vladimir gave his commanders the green light:

https://www.newsmax.com/headline/blinken-putin-invading-ukraine/2022/02/20/id/1057628/?ns_mail_uid=ed113837-94a1-4b8d-8fab-a7f206fd5031&ns_mail_job=DM304329_02202022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010102zowkos

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
We'll know very soon.
Watch for cyber attacks to precede a physical invasion.
Then, it's on to see if the US and/NATO do anything then if Russia responds and we got caught in an escalation loop.

Ukraine, the United Kingdom, and Poland have launched a new trilateral format of cooperation aimed at responding to threats to European security and strengthening economic cooperation between the countries.
"Today we are honored and pleased to announce the launch of a new trilateral format of cooperation between Ukraine, the United Kingdom, and Poland," Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba said at a joint press conference with Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs of the United Kingdom Liz Truss in Kyiv, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.
...
A joint statement by the three top diplomats would soon appear on the official websites of the countries’ foreign ministries, Kuleba added.
"In particular, it states that Great Britain and Poland will stand side by side with the Ukrainian people in their efforts to protect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders. Poland and Great Britain will help us defend our state," the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine said.

Dave58 wrote:Better keep cash on hand


https://www.fox5ny.com/news/ukraine-russia-crisis-cyberattacks-could-affect-u-s

rick1 wrote:

Dave58 wrote:Better keep cash on hand


https://www.fox5ny.com/news/ukraine-russia-crisis-cyberattacks-could-affect-u-s

More then just cash, if they hit the grid, you'll need everything, water, sewage, food, gas, guns, ammo, heat, etc.. Times will get real tough.

Of course cash won't do ya any good, as everything will be closed.

It'll be like a bivouac in the old USMC.

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:It's on. The full scale invasion has begun.


Hold on to your butts.

Dave58 wrote:

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:It's on. The full scale invasion has begun.


Hold on to your butts.

We might want to say a prayer for the people in the Ukraine and Russia not the idiots running the show but the folks like us they didn't ask for this all they want to do is get on with their lives.....

rick1 wrote:Every institution in the U.S. is at risk of Russian cyber attacks. Let the games begin.

Be well prepared boys and girls, it's going to be a long and bumpy ride:

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-every-organization-in-the-u-s-is-at-risk-of-a-russian-cyber-attack-warns-dhs-133836357927

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
So true.
The average Ukrainian, Russian and American citizens have more in common with each other than not.
It's the politicians that are screwing everything for their own power, greed, misjudgements, boastfulness, ambition etc.

Blondie wrote:Sanctions?  Get this:

1 yr ago Keystone Pipeline was killed with a pen. Fastforward,  we agree to buy 575,000 barrels of oil from.......Russia! Yep, Russia.

Now as oil reaches $100, we are giving Putin the cash he needs to buy or mfg arms.

I'm thinking Putin just double crossed his pals the Bidens.

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:Think of all the shady business dealings our politicians and their families have had with Ukraine....

"Stand Tall Before Man, Bow Low Before God"