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World Food Supplies continue to tighten, so it looks as though their is a global shortage, at some point in the future. For the US, that will simply mean higher prices, for others, it will mean not enough to eat.TRex2 wrote:Latest from the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (we may despise their politics, but for now, they are a good source for certain information.
This report is for January, so ...
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Now, I am not certain about their math, as I get about 29.0%. Another way of putting it is we have about 106 days reserves. The first week in January, we had 112 days reserves. As I said in my previous posting, when this drops to 90 days, prices will begin to rise (more than what they have been rising). If it gets below 70 days, prices will spike upwards until consumption goes down. We could see rising prices this summer. Let me rephrase that, since we are already seeing rising prices, due to higher labor, fertilizer and fuel prices.
This will be more price increases, on top of that.
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http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en/
Global cereal markets tighten as demand remains strong in 2020/21; record wheat production in 2021 could lead to higher stocks in 2021/22
Release date: 06/05/2021
FAO’s forecast for global cereal production in 2020 has been raised by 1.7 million tonnes this month to 2 767 million tonnes, 2.1 percent above the 2019 output. The month-on-month increase almost entirely reflects upward revisions to coarse grain output forecasts in several countries in Africa. As for rice, officials in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and Guinea indicated lower production turnouts than previously foreseen by FAO, outweighing an upgrade for Madagascar and resulting in a slight downward revision to the 2020 global rice production forecast, which nonetheless remains set at an all-time record high.
The forecast for world cereal utilization for 2020/21 has been raised by 6.0 million tonnes from the April figure to 2 783 million tonnes, an increase of 2.7 percent from the 2019/20 level. This month’s increase stems mainly from a 4.2-million-tonne upward revision to the 2020/21 maize utilization forecast, largely reflecting greater than earlier anticipated feed uses in China and the United States of America (USA). This upward revision brings the forecast for total utilization of coarse grains to 3.4 percent above the 2019/20 level. China is expected to account for nearly 60 percent of the year-on-year anticipated growth in the feed use of coarse grains. Nearly unchanged this month, total wheat utilization in 2020/21 is forecast to exceed the previous season’s level by 1.7 percent, with an expected rise in feed use as the primary driver, for the first time since 2011/12 and almost entirely occurring in China. FAO’s forecast for world rice utilization in 2020/21 is changed only fractionally from April’s expectations, now pointing to a 1.9 percent annual expansion and a record high level, underpinned by an anticipated expansion in food uses and a recovery in feed uptake.
FAO’s forecast for world cereal stocks by the close of the 2021 seasons has been revised downwards by 2.8 million tonnes to 805 million tonnes, representing a decline of 2.3 percent from their opening levels. As a result of this downward revision, on top of the higher utilization expectations, the global cereals stocks-to-use ratio would stand at 28.3 percent, down from 29.6 percent in 2019/20 and a hitting a seven-year low. The forecast for global coarse grain stocks has been cut by 4.1 million tonnes from last month’s report, now falling 7.4 percent below opening levels largely on a likely drawdown of maize inventories in the USA and China. A slight upward revision to world wheat inventories since last month has lifted the forecast to 2.8 percent above the opening level, with over 40 percent of the year-on-year increase foreseen to occur in China. Following a 400 000 tonne upward revision, world rice stocks at the close of 2020/21 are seen on-par with their opening levels, as anticipated drawdowns in Bangladesh, China and Indonesia, primarily, will likely be compensated by expected buildups in India, Thailand and the USA.
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It's only a small crack. I've driven old trucks with frames worse then that.
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This is our "Suez canal has ship stuck in it" moment.rick1 wrote:
It's only a small crack. I've driven old trucks with frames worse then that.
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TRex2 wrote:This is our "Suez canal has ship stuck in it" moment.rick1 wrote:
It's only a small crack. I've driven old trucks with frames worse then that.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-14/mississippi-river-may-reopen-to-barge-traffic-in-24-48-hours
Things might be looking up
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Something of the same thing but different here in the U.S.:
https://thecounter.org/biden-administration-farmers-conservation-reserve-crp-usda-vilsack/
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This has a secondary effect, possibly a big part of the reason for the program:
It will entice small or medium sized family farms to sell out to the big corporations.
This is a first step in a carrot and stick formula, designed to take land from farmers. Look at some of the wording:rick1 wrote:Something of the same thing but different here in the U.S.:
https://thecounter.org/biden-administration-farmers-conservation-reserve-crp-usda-vilsack/
Well, we can't have those dollars wasted, so if you are taking those dollars, they may modify the terms and make renewing the contract mandatory. It is in the interest of national security, of course.“Overall, we think the changes are good, but also they could still be better,” said Anne Schechinger, senior economic analyst with the Environmental Working Group. CRP typically only takes land out of production for 10 years at a time, and many farmers opt not to renew after a decade—many of the environmental benefits are erased as soon as the soil is plowed under and crops are replanted. Schechinger published a report that found almost 16 million acres were taken out of the reserve between 2007 and 2014 after landowners opted not to re-rent them to USDA. The government had spent more than $7 billion to preserve those acres. “A huge amount of money was essentially paid and then lost when those acres go back into farming,” Schechinger said.
Remember, the DoD has declared Climate Change as one of the most important threats to national security.
https://www.newsweek.com/climate-change-national-security-risk-498502
Of course, that coalition is part of the Deep State.A coalition of 25 military and national security experts, including former advisers to Ronald Reagan and George W Bush, has warned that climate change poses a "significant risk to U.S. national security and international security" that requires more attention from the U.S. federal government.
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Dave58 wrote:Whoever is pulling the strings is not going to stop until they have assumed .......
https://www.reuters.com/article/brazil-meatpacking-idUSL1N2N02FK
And just look at what the government pays (in billions of dollars) in subsidies to farmers to not plant corn. And the head clown in DC is planning to pay more because plants cause climate change:
https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=corn
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This is a private area on his forum, or something like that.Dave58 wrote:Just found this I don't know if there is anything to it or not
https://www.guilded.gg/Ice-Age-Farmer/groups/k3yZjreD/channels/dc7ca137-1c79-4b42-8457-a4fd0d902d1a/chat?messageId=0ea072b0-16ed-4892-98f6-092d44f1f23c
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The world is slowly sliding towards a shortage of food.Dave58 wrote:Whoever is pulling the strings is not going to stop until they have assumed ...
https://www.reuters.com/article/brazil-meatpacking-idUSL1N2N02FK
I guess it is now "settled science" that green plants use oxygen and put off carbon dioxide.rick1 wrote:And just look at what the government pays (in billions of dollars) in subsidies to farmers to not plant corn. And the head clown in DC is planning to pay more because plants cause climate change:
I think you might have the wrong link.
One thing I have noticed is the ever increasing use of alcohol for motor fuel.
We wouldn't see a food shortage for another dozen years, if they would limit that, and move towards more propane for motor fuel. (But that would mean building more pipelines, which are good for the environment. Can't have that.)
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He likes to say "load the boats"Drinkthekoolaid wrote:This is another perspective on the general big picture situation
https://youtu.be/eE_EegTz2m8
He also likes to drift along, from topic to topic.
Food shortage, due to drought, keep rain barrels full, water bob, in case of power outage,
He is right about needing to store up food.
He says wet area's are moving towards the coastal regions, and he is partially right.
I watched his "Life After 2030" and it is pretty interesting, but he knows absolutely nothing about world politics. At 5:55, he says "Iran got sucked into it" which tells me he doesn't understand that Iran is currently the instigator of all of the problems in the Mid East.
He does understand, tho, how local politics works, and that the MSM will do its best, as always, to hide the problems.
I note that he is pagan. He reveals that, by how he discusses "nature."
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It's only a threat to Australia, and I am sure they will get back on line before anyone starves. Half of their plants were idled anyway, due to not enough cattle arriving from the ranchers, since they are trying to rebuild their herds after a few years of bad weather.Drinkthekoolaid wrote:Chalk up another threat
https://www.beefcentral.com/news/jbs-global-meat-processing-operations-paralysed-by-cyber-attack/
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They only say not to panic buy, yep, right, thank God for lots of TP:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-31/meat-is-latest-cyber-victim-as-hackers-hit-top-supplier-jbs
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https://thelatestbreakingnews.com/white-house-contacts-russia-after-hack-of-worlds-largest-meatpacking-company/
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https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/cyber-attack-hits-jbs-global-meat-processing-operations
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https://www.mcall.com/news/nation-world/mc-nws-jbs-cyberattack-meatpacking-ransomeware-20210602-ll6cgr4auvdplnfgbnwwpclrli-story.html
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This link gives a fairly accurate picture of how fast the public can react to news of a cyber attack on some part of the supply system. The awareness builds over a period of about two full days.Blondie wrote:And now all their processing plants are offline nationwide:
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/cyber-attack-hits-jbs-global-meat-processing-operations
The link to McCalls won't let me in, appears to be a paywall.
I believe the processing plants are all back in operation by now.
The ripples in the supply lines, if there are any, should be felt next week.
Most of us are a few months ahead, I suspect.
I am guessing most of us would have minimal problems, getting through 6 months, without going to the grocery market.
For the average family, that used to be three days.
I think by now, a lot more families have a week of groceries on hand.
But there will always be some who have less than three days.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/03/north-korea-facing-major-food-shortage-could-lead-death-millions/
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It's already here Dave, worse in 20 years, the Colorado river is in its driest periods in 1200 years:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worst-drought-decades-escalates-threats-215143151.html
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(oddly,) the page showing Lake Havasu water levels shows the lake as full, but there is a discussion of reduced water flows into the aqueducts.
Lake Level:
http://havasu.lakesonline.com/Level/
Discussion:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-environment/2021/04/06/colorado-river-drought-deepens-arizona-prepares-water-cutbacks/4808587001/
With the reservoirs continuing to drop, the expected cuts next year will reduce the Central Arizona Project’s water supply by nearly a third and shrink the amount flowing to farmlands in Pinal County.
Managers of Arizona's water agencies say they have detailed plans in place to deal with the reductions in water supplies over the next five years, even if the drought continues to worsen. These initial steps to cope with shortages are playing out while the seven states that depend on the river prepare for difficult talks on post-2026 rules, negotiating a plan for adapting to a river that’s yielding less as the watershed grows progressively warmer with climate change.
Officials who manage Arizona’s 336-mile Central Arizona Project Canal, which runs from Lake Havasu to Tucson, have known since plans were first drawn up for the system that they hold the lowest priority and could face cuts in a shortage. Such a scenario wasn’t on the horizon in the years after the canal was completed in the early 1990s, but the situation has changed as years of drought and higher temperatures have reduced the flow of the river.
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Kinda long but a pretty good read
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I am kinda surprised at the reality of the content in this article.Dave58 wrote:https://www.agweb.com/news/business/technology/while-america-slept-china-stole-farm
Kinda long but a pretty good read
Nowhere did it say the Chinese were entitled to our trade secrets,
nor did they blame Trump.
Kind of refreshing to see honesty in journalism.
There are some parts of the article that perplex me. (I knew a lot of this info, already, but never saw it in one place: this is a nice neat package.) I was briefed, in 1982, on the following:
We send our exchange students to China to learn culture, art and dance. They send theirs here, to study nuclear physics and high energy lasers.
Then the article says:
Kinda makes ya wonder: what were they doing for the 30 years after I got that briefing?“The FBI woke up to this threat far too late, and now we are in very deep,” Mills continues. “It is the CCP’s goal to steal, glean, obtain, transcribe, and photograph anything of value from the U.S., and the agriculture sector is right at the top. China is a net food importer and that is a strategic vulnerability of the CCP.”
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Little known fact....
Most of the apples in stores are very old, some even up to a year or more.
Think about it. Apples can only be grown in temperate climates. So the northern and southern hemispheres each have 1 growing and harvesting season.
Apples get harvested, sent to major distributors then they are usually coated with a thin layer of wax and then stored in a nitrogen blanketed warehouse. The wax layer and the nitrogen displace the oxygen and protect the apples from spoiling which can allow them to retain freshness for a year or 2. Then the apples are sent out in bags to stores as needed through the year.
So potentially a crop failure this year means apple scarcity next year or the following year.
Crazy right? This is how complex things can get that most don't realize
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Little known fact....
Most of the apples in stores are very old, some even up to a year or more.
Think about it. Apples can only be grown in temperate climates. So the northern and southern hemispheres each have 1 growing and harvesting season.
Apples get harvested, sent to major distributors then they are usually coated with a thin layer of wax and then stored in a nitrogen blanketed warehouse. The wax layer and the nitrogen displace the oxygen and protect the apples from spoiling which can allow them to retain freshness for a year or 2. Then the apples are sent out in bags to stores as needed through the year.
So potentially a crop failure this year means apple scarcity next year or the following year.
Crazy right? This is how complex things can get that most don't realize
Who knew ?? We have a store that has its own orchard and sells Apples and other fruit the year round. It never really dawned on me about the way they stored it....
Thanks for the heads up
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Dave58 wrote:Drinkthekoolaid wrote:
Little known fact....
Most of the apples in stores are very old, some even up to a year or more.
Think about it. Apples can only be grown in temperate climates. So the northern and southern hemispheres each have 1 growing and harvesting season.
Apples get harvested, sent to major distributors then they are usually coated with a thin layer of wax and then stored in a nitrogen blanketed warehouse. The wax layer and the nitrogen displace the oxygen and protect the apples from spoiling which can allow them to retain freshness for a year or 2. Then the apples are sent out in bags to stores as needed through the year.
So potentially a crop failure this year means apple scarcity next year or the following year.
Crazy right? This is how complex things can get that most don't realize
Who knew ?? We have a store that has its own orchard and sells Apples and other fruit the year round. It never really dawned on me about the way they stored it....
Thanks for the heads up
A local store is much more likely to have fresh apples than big chain stores will
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There are two local apple orchards that I buy from and both are out of apples by November. They usually stay open until just before Christmas as they have offerings like local jams, jellies, maple syrups and baked goods. Traditional Tourist Trap stuff.
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Out west, farmers are not even planting crops because there's no water for them to survive.
https://industryleadersmagazine.com/food-prices-to-increase-due-to-severe-drought-in-the-u-s/
https://www.climate.gov/maps-data/dataset/weekly-drought-map
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I was working in the garden at 6;30 this morning
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All good eating and free for the taking, except for the chicken.
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A good read Dave. This is just the tip of the iceberg, coffee, corn, beans, and just about everything else is coming do to the draught, not only in the U.S., but in other countries too.
Farmers aren't even planting crops out west 'cause no water for the plants to survive.
Some say canned goods will be like toilet paper during the covid high.
Here's just a taste of what's to come:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-23/california-drought-is-withering-almond-dairy-farms-in-food-inflation-threat
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I am going to start checking my Amish friends for tomatoes we have had so much rain the past month I don't think ours is going to make it
If people don't put up some food for the up coming year/s they are going to be screwed
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The next farm over from us does that, they've been freezing the garden for 30 years and go my wife hooked on it, glad she did, less work for me too.
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We went to our local Amish Bulk Food store and bought 50lb of Oats , Rice and beans right now they are cheaper but not for long......
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I don't buy flower in bulk, so what would you have considered a "normal" price?Dave58 wrote:... amazing... I found King Arthur as high as $35 for 10lb
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(my suspicion is about $16, since I usually use 10 cents an ounce as a measuring point for grains)
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TRex2 wrote:I don't buy flower in bulk, so what would you have considered a "normal" price?Dave58 wrote:... amazing... I found King Arthur as high as $35 for 10lb
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(my suspicion is about $16, since I usually use 10 cents an ounce as a measuring point for grains)
Wife says around 4or 5 dollars for 10lb bag
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In case someone doesn't like that source, here is another.
Says about the same.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-warns-americans-food-shortage-gonna-be-real-following-sanctions-russia
The "good old days" ended, when Biden took office.President Biden said Thursday that a food shortage is "gonna be real" following the sanctions that were placed on Russia by the U.S. government as a result of Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion into Ukraine.
"With regard to food shortage, yes we did talk about food shortages, and it's gonna be real," Biden said during a press conference at a NATO summit in Brussels, Belgium, following a meeting with other world leaders.
"The price of the sanctions is not just imposed upon Russia," he added. "It’s imposed upon an awful lot of countries as well, including European countries and our country as well."
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The Pres. made public that there is going to be a food shortage.. This will be worse than announcing a Ice storm is coming every.. Everybody will decide now is the time to stock up and I think this has the potential to go sideways very quickly ..
So if you need to maybe grab a little something extra now is the time..
On a side note our local grocery put a limit of 2 boxes of saltines per person...... Who would have thought about hoarding crackers ?????
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I was thinking the same thing, as I watched this morning's news.Dave58 wrote:I was setting here drinking my coffee and reading the news and suddenly it hit me.....
The Pres. made public that there is going to be a food shortage.. This will be worse than announcing a Ice storm is coming every.. Everybody will decide now is the time to stock up and I think this has the potential to go sideways very quickly ..
So if you need to maybe grab a little something extra now is the time..
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TRex2 wrote:I was thinking the same thing, as I watched this morning's news.Dave58 wrote:I was setting here drinking my coffee and reading the news and suddenly it hit me.....
The Pres. made public that there is going to be a food shortage.. This will be worse than announcing a Ice storm is coming every.. Everybody will decide now is the time to stock up and I think this has the potential to go sideways very quickly ..
So if you need to maybe grab a little something extra now is the time..
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The farmers are having a bad enough time as it is, drought, fuel and fertilizer prices, etc..
Just how much do you think you're going to pay for a box of cereal or a loaf of bread, you think inflation is bad now, just wait.
The head clown also promised the EU that the U.S. would send them liquified natural gas, how much do you think you're going to pay for your natural gas, (if you use it). Some analyst say it's going to double or even triple in price by summer, unless joe crow reverses his executive orders from when he took office.
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The war in Ukraine is creating a massive grain shortage. What does that mean for the rest of the world?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/president-biden-warns-real-grocery-shortages-are-coming/ar-AAVuRyn?ocid=iehp&li=BBnb7Kz
Together, Russia and Ukraine account for 30 percent of the world’s exported wheat, and the Agricultural Market Information System—an international group focusing on global food-policy initiatives—estimates that 25 countries source at least half of their supplies from the two countries.
In the United States, the shortage will mean higher prices for bread and cereal, says Christopher Bosso, professor of public policy at Northeastern, because the country is among the world’s main grain producers already and supplies much of its own demand. The jump in price is more tied to rising fuel and shipping costs than production costs.
“Even if the war is resolved fairly quickly, it may still be several years of having very tight commodity supplies,”
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https://emergencyhomeprep.forumotion.com/t1398p400-supply-chain-observations-and-questions#13823
(Follow the thread for at least a few postings )
The bottom line is: I expect the price of most food products to rise, substantially, possibly double, in the next dozen months.
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Corn Pop says the Ukraine war is going to affect our food supply, but carrot top says it wouldn't have an impact on the U.S.. Which one is telling the truth:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2022/03/24/biden-warns-america-a-food-shortage-is-coming-n2605004
https://nypost.com/2022/03/17/looming-food-shortages-is-worlds-next-slow-moving-disaster/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/wheat-prices-food-shortage-fears
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rick1 wrote:Interesting read. More interesting reads at the bottom of the page of the first link, very interesting reads.
Corn Pop says the Ukraine war is going to affect our food supply, but carrot top says it wouldn't have an impact on the U.S.. Which one is telling the truth:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2022/03/24/biden-warns-america-a-food-shortage-is-coming-n2605004
https://nypost.com/2022/03/17/looming-food-shortages-is-worlds-next-slow-moving-disaster/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/wheat-prices-food-shortage-fears
I have been following the post on here and when Biden announced a food shortage nobody said anything..... I don't know about your hometowns but if they even say anything like Ice storm or blizzard you have to fight your way inside the grocery store and there is nothing left on the shelf , but so far Wal-Mart had some empty shelves that's about it....What really worries me is the fact that most of the people I have talked to are " O well what else could happen "
How are things in your part of the world ??
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