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Post by TRex2 Mon May 10, 2021 6:09 pm

TRex2 wrote:Latest from the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (we may despise their politics, but for now, they are a good source for certain information.

This report is for January, so ...
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Now, I am not certain about their math, as I get about 29.0%. Another way of putting it is we have about 106 days reserves. The first week in January, we had 112 days reserves. As I said in my previous posting, when this drops to 90 days, prices will begin to rise (more than what they have been rising). If it gets below 70 days, prices will spike upwards until consumption goes down.  We could see rising prices this summer. Let me rephrase that, since we are already seeing rising prices, due to higher labor, fertilizer and fuel prices.

This will be more price increases, on top of that.
World Food Supplies continue to tighten, so it looks as though their is a global shortage, at some point in the future. For the US, that will simply mean higher prices, for others, it will mean not enough to eat.


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Post by TRex2 Mon May 10, 2021 6:13 pm

Most recent report from the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation:
http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en/
Global cereal markets tighten as demand remains strong in 2020/21; record wheat production in 2021 could lead to higher stocks in 2021/22
Release date: 06/05/2021
FAO’s forecast for global cereal production in 2020 has been raised by 1.7 million tonnes this month to 2 767 million tonnes, 2.1 percent above the 2019 output. The month-on-month increase almost entirely reflects upward revisions to coarse grain output forecasts in several countries in Africa. As for rice, officials in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and Guinea indicated lower production turnouts than previously foreseen by FAO, outweighing an upgrade for Madagascar and resulting in a slight downward revision to the 2020 global rice production forecast, which nonetheless remains set at an all-time record high.

The forecast for world cereal utilization for 2020/21 has been raised by 6.0 million tonnes from the April figure to 2 783 million tonnes, an increase of 2.7 percent from the 2019/20 level. This month’s increase stems mainly from a 4.2-million-tonne upward revision to the 2020/21 maize utilization forecast, largely reflecting greater than earlier anticipated feed uses in China and the United States of America (USA). This upward revision brings the forecast for total utilization of coarse grains to 3.4 percent above the 2019/20 level. China is expected to account for nearly 60 percent of the year-on-year anticipated growth in the feed use of coarse grains. Nearly unchanged this month, total wheat utilization in 2020/21 is forecast to exceed the previous season’s level by 1.7 percent, with an expected rise in feed use as the primary driver, for the first time since 2011/12 and almost entirely occurring in China. FAO’s forecast for world rice utilization in 2020/21 is changed only fractionally from April’s expectations, now pointing to a 1.9 percent annual expansion and a record high level, underpinned by an anticipated expansion in food uses and a recovery in feed uptake.
FAO’s forecast for world cereal stocks by the close of the 2021 seasons has been revised downwards by 2.8 million tonnes to 805 million tonnes, representing a decline of 2.3 percent from their opening levels. As a result of this downward revision, on top of the higher utilization expectations, the global cereals stocks-to-use ratio would stand at 28.3 percent, down from 29.6 percent in 2019/20 and a hitting a seven-year low. The forecast for global coarse grain stocks has been cut by 4.1 million tonnes from last month’s report, now falling 7.4 percent below opening levels largely on a likely drawdown of maize inventories in the USA and China. A slight upward revision to world wheat inventories since last month has lifted the forecast to 2.8 percent above the opening level, with over 40 percent of the year-on-year increase foreseen to occur in China. Following a 400 000 tonne upward revision, world rice stocks at the close of 2020/21 are seen on-par with their opening levels, as anticipated drawdowns in Bangladesh, China and Indonesia, primarily, will likely be compensated by expected buildups in India, Thailand and the USA.

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Post by Dave58 Wed May 12, 2021 7:03 pm


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Post by rick1 Wed May 12, 2021 7:52 pm


It's only a small crack. I've driven old trucks with frames worse then that.

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Post by TRex2 Thu May 13, 2021 10:02 am

rick1 wrote:

It's only a small crack. I've driven old trucks with frames worse then that.
This is our "Suez canal has ship stuck in it" moment.

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Post by Dave58 Fri May 14, 2021 12:00 pm

TRex2 wrote:
rick1 wrote:

It's only a small crack. I've driven old trucks with frames worse then that.
This is our "Suez canal has ship stuck in it" moment.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-14/mississippi-river-may-reopen-to-barge-traffic-in-24-48-hours

Things might be looking up

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Post by Dave58 Wed May 19, 2021 11:51 am


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Post by TRex2 Wed May 19, 2021 4:09 pm

This has a secondary effect, possibly a big part of the reason for the program:
It will entice small or medium sized family farms to sell out to the big corporations.

rick1 wrote:Something of the same thing but different here in the U.S.:

https://thecounter.org/biden-administration-farmers-conservation-reserve-crp-usda-vilsack/
This is a first step in a carrot and stick formula, designed to take land from farmers. Look at some of the wording:
“Overall, we think the changes are good, but also they could still be better,” said Anne Schechinger, senior economic analyst with the Environmental Working Group. CRP typically only takes land out of production for 10 years at a time, and many farmers opt not to renew after a decade—many of the environmental benefits are erased as soon as the soil is plowed under and crops are replanted. Schechinger published a report that found almost 16 million acres were taken out of the reserve between 2007 and 2014 after landowners opted not to re-rent them to USDA. The government had spent more than $7 billion to preserve those acres. “A huge amount of money was essentially paid and then lost when those acres go back into farming,” Schechinger said.
Well, we can't have those dollars wasted, so if you are taking those dollars, they may modify the terms and make renewing the contract mandatory. It is in the interest of national security, of course.

Remember, the DoD has declared Climate Change as one of the most important threats to national security.
https://www.newsweek.com/climate-change-national-security-risk-498502
A coalition of 25 military and national security experts, including former advisers to Ronald Reagan and George W Bush, has warned that climate change poses a "significant risk to U.S. national security and international security" that requires more attention from the U.S. federal government.
Of course, that coalition is part of the Deep State.

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Post by Dave58 Thu May 20, 2021 11:44 am

Whoever is pulling the strings is not going to stop until they have assumed .......

https://www.reuters.com/article/brazil-meatpacking-idUSL1N2N02FK

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Post by rick1 Thu May 20, 2021 1:01 pm

Dave58 wrote:Whoever is pulling the strings is not going to stop until they have assumed .......

https://www.reuters.com/article/brazil-meatpacking-idUSL1N2N02FK

And just look at what the government pays (in billions of dollars) in subsidies to farmers to not plant corn. And the head clown in DC is planning to pay more because plants cause climate change:

https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=corn

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Post by TRex2 Thu May 20, 2021 4:48 pm

This is a private area on his forum, or something like that.
Apparently you are a member.

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Post by TRex2 Thu May 20, 2021 5:03 pm

Dave58 wrote:Whoever is pulling the strings is not going to stop until they have assumed ...
https://www.reuters.com/article/brazil-meatpacking-idUSL1N2N02FK
The world is slowly sliding towards a shortage of food.

rick1 wrote:And just look at what the government pays (in billions of dollars) in subsidies to farmers to not plant corn. And the head clown in DC is planning to pay more because plants cause climate change:
I guess it is now "settled science" that green plants use oxygen and put off carbon dioxide. Huh?Sign

I think you might have the wrong link.

One thing I have noticed is the ever increasing use of alcohol for motor fuel.
We wouldn't see a food shortage for another dozen years, if they would limit that, and move towards more propane for motor fuel. (But that would mean building more pipelines, which are good for the environment. Can't have that.)

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Post by Drinkthekoolaid Fri May 21, 2021 2:24 pm

This is another perspective on the general big picture situation

https://youtu.be/eE_EegTz2m8

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Post by TRex2 Fri May 21, 2021 4:21 pm

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:This is another perspective on the general big picture situation
https://youtu.be/eE_EegTz2m8
He likes to say "load the boats"
He also likes to drift along, from topic to topic.
Food shortage, due to drought, keep rain barrels full, water bob, in case of power outage,

He is right about needing to store up food.
He says wet area's are moving towards the coastal regions, and he is partially right.

I watched his "Life After 2030" and it is pretty interesting, but he knows absolutely nothing about world politics. At 5:55, he says "Iran got sucked into it" which tells me he doesn't understand that Iran is currently the instigator of all of the problems in the Mid East.

He does understand, tho, how local politics works, and that the MSM will do its best, as always, to hide the problems.

I note that he is pagan. He reveals that, by how he discusses "nature."

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Post by Dave58 Sat May 29, 2021 5:33 pm


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Post by TRex2 Mon May 31, 2021 7:42 pm

It's only a threat to Australia, and I am sure they will get back on line before anyone starves. Half of their plants were idled anyway, due to not enough cattle arriving from the ranchers, since they are trying to rebuild their herds after a few years of bad weather.

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Post by rick1 Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:30 pm

Here's another link on the beef hack.

They only say not to panic buy, yep, right, thank God for lots of TP:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-31/meat-is-latest-cyber-victim-as-hackers-hit-top-supplier-jbs

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Post by TRex2 Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:10 pm

Blondie wrote:And now all their processing plants are offline nationwide:

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/cyber-attack-hits-jbs-global-meat-processing-operations
This link gives a fairly accurate picture of how fast the public can react to news of a cyber attack on some part of the supply system. The awareness builds over a period of about two full days.

The link to McCalls won't let me in, appears to be a paywall.

I believe the processing plants are all back in operation by now.

The ripples in the supply lines, if there are any, should be felt next week.

Most of us are a few months ahead, I suspect.
I am guessing most of us would have minimal problems, getting through 6 months, without going to the grocery market.

For the average family, that used to be three days.
I think by now, a lot more families have a week of groceries on hand.
But there will always be some who have less than three days.

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Post by Dave58 Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:52 pm

I realize this is NK , but at the end of the day this this might be a very real possibility for here in the future.... Better get your family and friends to plant some type of garden

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/03/north-korea-facing-major-food-shortage-could-lead-death-millions/

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Post by rick1 Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:32 pm


It's already here Dave, worse in 20 years, the Colorado river is in its driest periods in 1200 years:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worst-drought-decades-escalates-threats-215143151.html


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Post by TRex2 Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:56 am

Meanwhile, further down the Colorado River:
(oddly,) the page showing Lake Havasu water levels shows the lake as full, but there is a discussion of reduced water flows into the aqueducts.
Lake Level:
http://havasu.lakesonline.com/Level/
Discussion:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-environment/2021/04/06/colorado-river-drought-deepens-arizona-prepares-water-cutbacks/4808587001/
With the reservoirs continuing to drop, the expected cuts next year will reduce the Central Arizona Project’s water supply by nearly a third and shrink the amount flowing to farmlands in Pinal County.

Managers of Arizona's water agencies say they have detailed plans in place to deal with the reductions in water supplies over the next five years, even if the drought continues to worsen. These initial steps to cope with shortages are playing out while the seven states that depend on the river prepare for difficult talks on post-2026 rules, negotiating a plan for adapting to a river that’s yielding less as the watershed grows progressively warmer with climate change.

Officials who manage Arizona’s 336-mile Central Arizona Project Canal, which runs from Lake Havasu to Tucson, have known since plans were first drawn up for the system that they hold the lowest priority and could face cuts in a shortage. Such a scenario wasn’t on the horizon in the years after the canal was completed in the early 1990s, but the situation has changed as years of drought and higher temperatures have reduced the flow of the river.


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Post by TRex2 Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:42 pm

I am kinda surprised at the reality of the content in this article.
Nowhere did it say the Chinese were entitled to our trade secrets,
nor did they blame Trump.

Kind of refreshing to see honesty in journalism.

There are some parts of the article that perplex me. (I knew a lot of this info, already, but never saw it in one place: this is a nice neat package.) I was briefed, in 1982, on the following:
We send our exchange students to China to learn culture, art and dance. They send theirs here, to study nuclear physics and high energy lasers.

Then the article says:
“The FBI woke up to this threat far too late, and now we are in very deep,” Mills continues. “It is the CCP’s goal to steal, glean, obtain, transcribe, and photograph anything of value from the U.S., and the agriculture sector is right at the top. China is a net food importer and that is a strategic vulnerability of the CCP.”
Kinda makes ya wonder: what were they doing for the 30 years after I got that briefing?

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Post by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:40 am



Little known fact....

Most of the apples in stores are very old, some even up to a year or more.


Think about it. Apples can only be grown in temperate climates. So the northern and southern hemispheres each have 1 growing and harvesting season.

Apples get harvested, sent to major distributors then they are usually coated with a thin layer of wax and then stored in a nitrogen blanketed warehouse. The wax layer and the nitrogen displace the oxygen and protect the apples from spoiling which can allow them to retain freshness for a year or 2. Then the apples are sent out in bags to stores as needed through the year.


So potentially a crop failure this year means apple scarcity next year or the following year.

Crazy right? This is how complex things can get that most don't realize

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Post by Dave58 Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:48 am

Drinkthekoolaid wrote:


Little known fact....

Most of the apples in stores are very old, some even up to a year or more.


Think about it. Apples can only be grown in temperate climates. So the northern and southern hemispheres each have 1 growing and harvesting season.  

Apples get harvested, sent to major distributors then they are usually coated with a thin layer of wax and then stored in a nitrogen blanketed warehouse. The wax layer and the nitrogen displace the oxygen and protect the apples from spoiling which can allow them to retain freshness for a year or 2.  Then the apples are sent out in bags to stores as needed through the year.


So potentially a crop failure this year means apple scarcity next year or the following year.

Crazy right?  This is how complex things can get that most don't realize

Who knew ?? We have a store that has its own orchard and sells Apples and other fruit the year round. It never really dawned on me about the way they stored it....

Thanks for the heads up

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Post by Drinkthekoolaid Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:08 am

Dave58 wrote:
Drinkthekoolaid wrote:


Little known fact....

Most of the apples in stores are very old, some even up to a year or more.


Think about it. Apples can only be grown in temperate climates. So the northern and southern hemispheres each have 1 growing and harvesting season.  

Apples get harvested, sent to major distributors then they are usually coated with a thin layer of wax and then stored in a nitrogen blanketed warehouse. The wax layer and the nitrogen displace the oxygen and protect the apples from spoiling which can allow them to retain freshness for a year or 2.  Then the apples are sent out in bags to stores as needed through the year.


So potentially a crop failure this year means apple scarcity next year or the following year.

Crazy right?  This is how complex things can get that most don't realize

Who knew ?? We have a store that has its own orchard and sells Apples and other fruit the year round. It never really dawned on me about the way they stored it....

Thanks for the heads up

A local store is much more likely to have fresh apples than big chain stores will

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Post by Blondie Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:18 pm

It's rare that I buy grocery store apples.

There are two local apple orchards that I buy from and both are out of apples by November. They usually stay open until just before Christmas as they have offerings like local jams, jellies, maple syrups and baked goods. Traditional Tourist Trap stuff.

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Post by rick1 Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:37 am

Food prices are already high, their going to get even higher, a drought stricken America, 55% of the U.S. are seeing droughts. And this country is not alone, other countries, including Russia, are stricken by sever droughts.

Out west, farmers are not even planting crops because there's no water for them to survive.

https://industryleadersmagazine.com/food-prices-to-increase-due-to-severe-drought-in-the-u-s/

https://www.climate.gov/maps-data/dataset/weekly-drought-map

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Post by Dave58 Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:23 am

I'm afraid things are going to get tight when it comes to food..

I was working in the garden at 6;30 this morning

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Post by rick1 Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:05 am


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Post by rick1 Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:54 am


A good read Dave. This is just the tip of the iceberg, coffee, corn, beans, and just about everything else is coming do to the draught, not only in the U.S., but in other countries too.

Farmers aren't even planting crops out west 'cause no water for the plants to survive.

Some say canned goods will be like toilet paper during the covid high.

Here's just a taste of what's to come:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-23/california-drought-is-withering-almond-dairy-farms-in-food-inflation-threat

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Post by Dave58 Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:12 am

I have been watching the grocery for sales on produce. I picked up 2 bushel of corn at the local Wal-Mart for $12 a bushel and got 81 pints canned. That does us for a year...

I am going to start checking my Amish friends for tomatoes we have had so much rain the past month I don't think ours is going to make it

If people don't put up some food for the up coming year/s they are going to be screwed

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Post by rick1 Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:21 pm

We quit canning years ago. We freeze everything from the garden, a lot faster and easier then canning.

The next farm over from us does that, they've been freezing the garden for 30 years and go my wife hooked on it, glad she did, less work for me too.

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Post by Dave58 Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:22 am

My wife bakes a lot and we usually buy our flour in 25lb bags and Wal-Mart has been out the last 2 times so we went online and looked and the price was amazing... I found King Arthur as high as $35 for 10lb I also found it cheaper but my point is they are going to really raise the prices, so if you might need it you better get it.....

We went to our local Amish Bulk Food store and bought 50lb of Oats , Rice and beans right now they are cheaper but not for long......

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Post by TRex2 Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:38 am

Dave58 wrote:... amazing... I found King Arthur as high as $35 for 10lb
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I don't buy flower in bulk, so what would you have considered a "normal" price?
(my suspicion is about $16, since I usually use 10 cents an ounce as a measuring point for grains)

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Post by Dave58 Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:42 am

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Dave58 wrote:... amazing... I found King Arthur as high as $35 for 10lb
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I don't buy flower in bulk, so what would you have considered a "normal" price?
(my suspicion is about $16, since I usually use 10 cents an ounce as a measuring point for grains)

Wife says around 4or 5 dollars for 10lb bag

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Post by TRex2 Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:42 pm

In case someone doesn't like that source, here is another.
Says about the same.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-warns-americans-food-shortage-gonna-be-real-following-sanctions-russia
President Biden said Thursday that a food shortage is "gonna be real" following the sanctions that were placed on Russia by the U.S. government as a result of Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion into Ukraine.

"With regard to food shortage, yes we did talk about food shortages, and it's gonna be real," Biden said during a press conference at a NATO summit in Brussels, Belgium, following a meeting with other world leaders.

"The price of the sanctions is not just imposed upon Russia," he added. "It’s imposed upon an awful lot of countries as well, including European countries and our country as well."
The "good old days" ended, when Biden took office.

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Post by Dave58 Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:38 am

I was setting here drinking my coffee and reading the news and suddenly it hit me.....

The Pres. made public that there is going to be a food shortage.. This will be worse than announcing a Ice storm is coming every.. Everybody will decide now is the time to stock up and I think this has the potential to go sideways very quickly ..

So if you need to maybe grab a little something extra now is the time..

On a side note our local grocery put a limit of 2 boxes of saltines per person...... Who would have thought about hoarding crackers ?????

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Post by TRex2 Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:44 am

Dave58 wrote:I was setting here drinking my coffee and reading the news and suddenly it hit me.....

The Pres. made public that there is going to be a food shortage.. This will be worse than announcing a Ice storm is coming every.. Everybody will decide now is the time to stock up and I think this has the potential to go sideways very quickly ..

So if you need to maybe grab a little something extra now is the time..
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I was thinking the same thing, as I watched this morning's news.

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Post by rick1 Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:48 am

TRex2 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:I was setting here drinking my coffee and reading the news and suddenly it hit me.....

The Pres. made public that there is going to be a food shortage.. This will be worse than announcing a Ice storm is coming every.. Everybody will decide now is the time to stock up and I think this has the potential to go sideways very quickly ..

So if you need to maybe grab a little something extra now is the time..
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I was thinking the same thing, as I watched this morning's news.

The farmers are having a bad enough time as it is, drought, fuel and fertilizer prices, etc..

Just how much do you think you're going to pay for a box of cereal or a loaf of bread, you think inflation is bad now, just wait.

The head clown also promised the EU that the U.S. would send them liquified natural gas, how much do you think you're going to pay for your natural gas, (if you use it). Some analyst say it's going to double or even triple in price by summer, unless joe crow reverses his executive orders from when he took office.

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Post by ReadyMom Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:27 pm

Hat Tip  Hat tip to John West, World Wide Threats:

The war in Ukraine is creating a massive grain shortage. What does that mean for the rest of the world?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/president-biden-warns-real-grocery-shortages-are-coming/ar-AAVuRyn?ocid=iehp&li=BBnb7Kz

Together, Russia and Ukraine account for 30 percent of the world’s exported wheat, and the Agricultural Market Information System—an international group focusing on global food-policy initiatives—estimates that 25 countries source at least half of their supplies from the two countries.

In the United States, the shortage will mean higher prices for bread and cereal, says Christopher Bosso, professor of public policy at Northeastern, because the country is among the world’s main grain producers already and supplies much of its own demand. The jump in price is more tied to rising fuel and shipping costs than production costs.

“Even if the war is resolved fairly quickly, it may still be several years of having very tight commodity supplies,”

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Post by TRex2 Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:44 pm

I wrote about this over in the supply chain thread.
https://emergencyhomeprep.forumotion.com/t1398p400-supply-chain-observations-and-questions#13823
(Follow the thread for at least a few postings )

The bottom line is: I expect the price of most food products to rise, substantially, possibly double, in the next dozen months.

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Post by rick1 Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:42 pm

Interesting read. More interesting reads at the bottom of the page of the first link, very interesting reads.

Corn Pop says the Ukraine war is going to affect our food supply, but carrot top says it wouldn't have an impact on the U.S.. Which one is telling the truth:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2022/03/24/biden-warns-america-a-food-shortage-is-coming-n2605004

https://nypost.com/2022/03/17/looming-food-shortages-is-worlds-next-slow-moving-disaster/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/wheat-prices-food-shortage-fears

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Post by Dave58 Sat Mar 26, 2022 4:24 pm

rick1 wrote:Interesting read. More interesting reads at the bottom of the page of the first link, very interesting reads.

Corn Pop says the Ukraine war is going to affect our food supply, but carrot top says it wouldn't have an impact on the U.S.. Which one is telling the truth:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2022/03/24/biden-warns-america-a-food-shortage-is-coming-n2605004

https://nypost.com/2022/03/17/looming-food-shortages-is-worlds-next-slow-moving-disaster/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/wheat-prices-food-shortage-fears

I have been following the post on here and when Biden announced a food shortage nobody said anything..... I don't know about your hometowns but if they even say anything like Ice storm or blizzard you have to fight your way inside the grocery store and there is nothing left on the shelf , but so far Wal-Mart had some empty shelves that's about it....What really worries me is the fact that most of the people I have talked to are " O well what else could happen "

How are things in your part of the world ??

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