Re: Threats to our Food Supply

by Dave58 Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:55 am

I just finished my early morning coffee break/research break and found out that up to 33% of goods ship thru South China Sea..

Also the source said that the South East Asia would be hit the hardest if trade were to be reduced or cut off .....

by Dave58 Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:13 pm

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-domino-fire-20210420-wzv6h7qzuffqvlgso256plwzyi-story.html

by TRex2 Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:41 pm

Dave58 wrote:https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-domino-fire-20210420-wzv6h7qzuffqvlgso256plwzyi-story.html

Based on the quantity they mentioned in the article, it will be a significant, but temporary (I hope) dent in the supply.

by **ReadyMom** Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:07 pm

TRex2 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-domino-fire-20210420-wzv6h7qzuffqvlgso256plwzyi-story.html
Based on the quantity they mentioned in the article, it will be a significant, but temporary (I hope) dent in the supply.

Who has buckets of sugar on hand ... raise your hand!! (It should be next to the TP you dipped into, last spring)

by Dave58 Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:12 pm

by Dave58 Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:53 am

https://www.agriculture.com/weather/news/colder-second-half-of-april-will-slow-germination-in-the-western-and-northern-corn-belt

by Dave58 Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:06 am

https://agroinsurance.com/en/france-up-to-95-of-losses-for-apple-growers-in-the-cher/

by rick1 Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:24 am

Dave58 wrote:

Me too

by TRex2 Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:01 am

Yeah, most of us (including me)have about a two year supply, but some of our friends and relatives (and my favorite restaurant) don't. That is why I hope it is temporary.

by Dave58 Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:35 pm

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/argentina-sets-up-a-beef-export-registry-stoking-fears-of-limits-on-shipments-2021-04-20

The hits just keep on coming.. Better be on top of your game folks

by rick1 Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:03 pm

TRex2 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-domino-fire-20210420-wzv6h7qzuffqvlgso256plwzyi-story.html
Based on the quantity they mentioned in the article, it will be a significant, but temporary (I hope) dent in the supply.

Possible 2 year sugar shortage:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-04/world-s-top-sugar-trader-expects-two-years-of-shortages-ahead

by TRex2 Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:17 pm

rick1 wrote:
TRex2 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-domino-fire-20210420-wzv6h7qzuffqvlgso256plwzyi-story.html
Based on the quantity they mentioned in the article, it will be a significant, but temporary (I hope) dent in the supply.

Possible 2 year sugar shortage:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-04/world-s-top-sugar-trader-expects-two-years-of-shortages-ahead

OK, now we have two, mostly unrelated, items. Each of them will impact the sugar market. The fire should be temporary, but the worldwide shortage in crops will last a little longer. I suspect this will show up on the next FAO cereals market, since a shortage of cane will mean more utilization of corn. Next report should be out May 6th.

by Dave58 Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:30 pm

Keep us posted pls .. Inquiring minds want to know

Question can they use corn to produce granulated sugar ???

Does anybody know what type of sugar they produced at the mill ??

This just hit me nearly everything on the grocery store shelf contains some type of sugar....

America may be going on a diet.......

by rick1 Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:19 pm

OK, wife need a few items from the store, so I went down and was picking up her items and remembered about the sugar shortage.

So, I went down where the sugar was and it was about half stocked.

I noticed some of the ladies had bags of sugar in their cart. I knew one of them (went to h.s. with her). I asked her if she was doing a lot of sugar cookies, she said, didn't you hear, there's a sugar crisis going to happen.

I told her I wasn't worried about a sugar crisis and was more worried about the coming shortage of toilet paper. Laugh Animated

Needless to say, she went a stocked up with TP. And she was telling others about a TP shortage.

And you can guess what went on from there. I laughed like h_ll. Laugh-Roll

I'm allowed to have some fun.

by TRex2 Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:28 pm

Dave58 wrote:...
Question can they use corn to produce granulated sugar ???

Yes, but I don't think it is sucrose (standard table sugar). Tastes almost the same ( as regular sugar, but I don't know how interchangeable it is in recipes.
(1985, Original Coke vs Coke Classic. Not "new coke" - that was something totally different)

Does anybody know what type of sugar they produced at the mill ??
....

Domino is almost exclusively Sucrose, but ground to different fineness, for table sugar, powdered, confectionery, or sugar cubes. I didn't look any of this up, but the numbers I saw in the article about the plant seems to be about 5% to 10% of US sugar use. Enough to cause a problem.

Farm and Crop problems are more important, as they can create longer term problems.

by TRex2 Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:54 am

Read this morning that the Domino sugar plant should be partially back in operation today or tomorrow.

Brazil sugar crops, production is about 15% less than normal, and the rest of the world can't make up the difference. Prices are expected to rise by 50%, over the next few months, but the timeline for this rise began a few months ago, and wholesale prices are up at least 12%, from what I can see.

by Dave58 Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:46 pm

They keep pushing and nobody seems to care.......

https://www.farmprogress.com/livestock/oregon-initiative-would-ban-animal-slaughter-breeding

by rick1 Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:02 pm

Dave58 wrote:They keep pushing and nobody seems to care.......

https://www.farmprogress.com/livestock/oregon-initiative-would-ban-animal-slaughter-breeding

I have an answer for that Dave. Love it or hate it, here it is:

First off, there must be, just gotta be something in the water they drink or something in the food they eat or something in the air they breath.

Since this is in the far left, woke, crackpot state of Oregon (aren't they demonrats?), they don't want to offend anybody in their state by being married to a heffer.

That's one of the reasons they can't think for themselves, they have to think for everybody else. The sheeples there can just go to burger king and get one of them there impossible burgers instead or be eaten by a hungry wolf. :BadDog:

Now I wish I had an emoticon for a heffer, cow, horse, or a sheep.

by rick1 Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:36 pm

Activists dump cow poop in front of white house to protest Joe Crow Biden's new green deal.

You just got to love these guy's, no more steak dinners for Crow.

https://www.newsweek.com/climate-activists-dump-cow-poop-outside-white-house-protest-joe-bidens-plan-1585669

by TRex2 Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:34 pm

Dave58 wrote:They keep pushing and nobody seems to care.......

https://www.farmprogress.com/livestock/oregon-initiative-would-ban-animal-slaughter-breeding

It starts with the schools. For 40+ years, in some Leftist controlled schools, they have allowed Vegitarian and Vegan speakers to propagate their propaganda. Those who grew up hearing such nonsense then allowed people even further to the left to spread their poison in the schools, press, churches, and finally, in the legislature.

by TRex2 Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:39 pm

Now, getting back to reality, I stopped by a couple supermarkets, this morning, and both had ample supply of sugar. I don't track the retail price of sugar (don't use enough to care), so I don't know if it went up.

Based on what we have seen and heard, it would be prudent to let friends and family know what is coming. That is, products containing peanuts and/or sugar are going to see a substantial price increase, in the next several months. (See March 3rd posting about peanuts)

by Dave58 Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:10 pm

Folks your going to love this

https://youtu.be/b98_Ue0sS2A

by rick1 Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:18 pm

Dave58 wrote:Folks your going to love this

https://youtu.be/b98_Ue0sS2A

There ya go Dave, CartoonHen

sanctuary chicken coops.

Husbandry practices.

Heffer, heffer, heffer.

The left coast has gone bonkers.

by TRex2 Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:50 pm

Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington need to secede and form their own state. Let the Left coast rot in their own mire.

by Cinnamon Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:26 pm

I have buckets of sugar, but won't hurt to stock up more.

As far as the leftie heifers...those in the know claim those lefties would starve to death standing in a wheat field next to a cow. I believe it.

by rick1 Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:38 am

Cinnamon wrote:I have buckets of sugar, but won't hurt to stock up more.

As far as the leftie heifers...those in the know claim those lefties would starve to death standing in a wheat field next to a cow. I believe it.

The demonrat party, led by joe "crow" biden, with Twisted Evil

their new green deal, open borders, etc., are our biggest threat to the food chain at this time. Doing away with all types of meats and wanting everybody else to go vegan. Giving free money, food and everything else to illegals is just the tip of the iceberg on what their going to do!!!!!!!

It's not only hurting me, it's hurting the demonrats too.

Just my 2 cents.

by Dave58 Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:43 pm

This doesn't sound good for the home team...

https://brownfieldagnews.com/news/agronomist-surprised-by-how-dry-it-is-in-many-parts-of-the-midwest/

by Dave58 Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:44 pm

The good old USA isn't the only country making the printing presses spin...

https://agroinsurance.com/en/france-solidarity-fund-of-1-billion-euros-for-farmers-affected-by-frost/

by Dave58 Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:50 pm

I wonder if this will happen here ???

Does anybody know if you can grind sweet corn for chicken feed ?? My neighbor always has extra that doesn't get picked and will dry out...

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/high-prices-nibble-at-corns-sway-as-asian-feed-buyers-switch-to-wheat-2021-04-28

by rick1 Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:36 pm

Dave58 wrote:I wonder if this will happen here ???

Does anybody know if you can grind sweet corn for chicken feed ?? My neighbor always has extra that doesn't get picked and will dry out...

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/high-prices-nibble-at-corns-sway-as-asian-feed-buyers-switch-to-wheat-2021-04-28

Dave, chickens will eat anything, even their own pooh and that's a fact. Throw the cob down whole, they'll peck at it enough to fill their belly. You can grid it if you want, but no need to.

Here ya go buddy, read the list, includes corn on the cob:

https://www.heritageacresmarket.com/what-chickens-can-and-cant-eat/

by Dave58 Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:52 pm

rick1 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:I wonder if this will happen here ???

Does anybody know if you can grind sweet corn for chicken feed ?? My neighbor always has extra that doesn't get picked and will dry out...

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/high-prices-nibble-at-corns-sway-as-asian-feed-buyers-switch-to-wheat-2021-04-28

Dave, chickens will eat anything, even their own pooh and that's a fact. Throw the cob down whole, they'll peck at it enough to fill their belly. You can grid it if you want, but no need to.

Here ya go buddy, read the list, includes corn on the cob:

https://www.heritageacresmarket.com/what-chickens-can-and-cant-eat/

This will be helpful...

Thanks

by Dave58 Sat May 01, 2021 10:45 am

Just got home from the grocery...

Sticker shock bacon jumped $1.00 per pound in a week..... Crying

by rick1 Sat May 01, 2021 11:18 am

Dave58 wrote:Just got home from the grocery...

Sticker shock bacon jumped $1.00 per pound in a week.....

Dave, I got 2 pigs, what one? $1.35/lb on the hoof.

by Dave58 Sat May 01, 2021 12:40 pm

rick1 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:Just got home from the grocery...

Sticker shock bacon jumped $1.00 per pound in a week.....

Dave, I got 2 pigs, what one? $1.35/lb on the hoof.

If we lived closer together my friend....Lol

by Dave58 Mon May 03, 2021 11:38 am

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/tyson-foods-beyond-meat-face-off-with-new-plant-based-burgers-2021-05-03/

by rick1 Wed May 05, 2021 8:55 am

Dave58 wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/tyson-foods-beyond-meat-face-off-with-new-plant-based-burgers-2021-05-03/

I just don't know how to tell people this, but I'm one of those them there meat and tater type of guy. Cheers2

by Dave58 Wed May 05, 2021 9:19 am

rick1 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/tyson-foods-beyond-meat-face-off-with-new-plant-based-burgers-2021-05-03/

I just don't know how to tell people this, but I'm one of those them there meat and tater type of guy.

Here's one for ya meat & taters Agree-sign

https://blog.csiro.au/bringing-edible-insects-into-aussie-diets/

by Dave58 Thu May 06, 2021 5:00 pm

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/06/eu-endorses-beetle-larvae-for-human-consumption-touts-environmental-benefits/

by rick1 Thu May 06, 2021 5:48 pm

Dave58 wrote:https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/06/eu-endorses-beetle-larvae-for-human-consumption-touts-environmental-benefits/

Dave, I see you're into the bug eating conspiracy.

Maybe send a box or two to the white house, Joe "Crow" may enjoy them for a snack. Laugh Animated

There's a small mall done in Adams County (PA), that we shop at whenever we go to the wife's family reunion.

In that mall is a store that sells all types of jerky, from different animals. Well, they also sell chocolate covered ants, mill worms and grass hoppers. I always get a couple of bags and feed them to the grandkids. They like 'em.

by Dave58 Thu May 06, 2021 8:01 pm

rick1 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/06/eu-endorses-beetle-larvae-for-human-consumption-touts-environmental-benefits/

Dave, I see you're into the bug eating conspiracy.

Maybe send a box or two to the white house, Joe "Crow" may enjoy them for a snack.

There's a small mall done in Adams County (PA), that we shop at whenever we go to the wife's family reunion.

In that mall is a store that sells all types of jerky, from different animals. Well, they also sell chocolate covered ants, mill worms and grass hoppers. I always get a couple of bags and feed them to the grandkids. They like 'em.

Your a very special grandpa.... Laugh-Roll

by TRex2 Fri May 07, 2021 5:35 am

rick1 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/06/eu-endorses-beetle-larvae-for-human-consumption-touts-environmental-benefits/
Dave, I see you're into the bug eating conspiracy.
Maybe send a box or two to the white house, Joe "Crow" may enjoy them for a snack.

There's a small mall done in Adams County (PA), that we shop at whenever we go to the wife's family reunion.

In that mall is a store that sells all types of jerky, from different animals. Well, they also sell chocolate covered ants, mill worms and grass hoppers. I always get a couple of bags and feed them to the grandkids. They like 'em.

Hmmmm, do you think they would deliver?

by Dave58 Sat May 08, 2021 9:48 am

This is not good...

https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/

by rick1 Sat May 08, 2021 10:35 am

Dave58 wrote:This is not good...

https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/

Nope, not good at all. I believe things are going to get a lot stickier with the current circus that's in the big house in D.C..

This may just be the beginning of what's to come. Shocked

Stock up boys and girls, things may get a little dicey down the road.

P.S. Get those studs on those winter tires, 'cause things are on a slippery slope right now with joe crow in charge.

by Dave58 Sat May 08, 2021 11:57 am

Rumor has it that the troops are going to come home from Afghanistan...

My 80 yr old mother in law asked me this question this morning....

Are they coming home because of a potential war with China ??

by rick1 Sat May 08, 2021 12:33 pm

Dave58 wrote:Rumor has it that the troops are going to come home from Afghanistan...

My 80 yr old mother in law asked me this question this morning....

Are they coming home because of a potential war with China ??

Dave, tell your mother in law, no physical war with China. The next war will be a cyber war, and we're in it right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH and Dave (from your previous post on bugs). My grandkids do think I'm one of them there special pappies. I give them all the bugs they can eat, they call them protein poppers. Laugh Animated

by Dave58 Sat May 08, 2021 2:15 pm

rick1 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:Rumor has it that the troops are going to come home from Afghanistan...

My 80 yr old mother in law asked me this question this morning....

Are they coming home because of a potential war with China ??

Dave, tell your mother in law, no physical war with China. The next war will be a cyber war, and we're in it right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH and Dave (from your previous post on bugs). My grandkids do think I'm one of them there special pappies. I give them all the bugs they can eat, they call them protein poppers.

I was pretty proud on my mil she is really trying to watch the news and stay up on things ( I guess we are rubbing off on her ).

My grandson turned 18 today .. He told me that he thought I had a very dark and twisted sense of humor and the he loved me for that...

So keep up the good work pappy and bring on the protein poppers Laughing

by Dave58 Sun May 09, 2021 11:25 am

Just found this on Ice Age Farmer

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/brazil-cattle-herd-boost-for-china-demand/100115076

by rick1 Sun May 09, 2021 11:50 am

Dave58 wrote:Just found this on Ice Age Farmer

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/brazil-cattle-herd-boost-for-china-demand/100115076

I'm glad I raise my own beef, only until the far left radical crackpots take them away from me because of global warming.

by TRex2 Sun May 09, 2021 6:15 pm

Dave58 wrote:Just found this on Ice Age Farmer

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/brazil-cattle-herd-boost-for-china-demand/100115076

Good intel. Sometimes Ice Age Farmer gets a bit ahead of himself,
but this time, I think he is on target, and ahead of the rest of the world.

by Dave58 Mon May 10, 2021 11:43 am

This may not be a threat to our food supply but it will be a threat to our wallet

https://www.wsj.com/articles/corn-is-the-latest-commodity-to-pop-11620644400

by TRex2 Mon May 10, 2021 6:09 pm

TRex2 wrote:Latest from the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (we may despise their politics, but for now, they are a good source for certain information.

This report is for January, so ...
...
Now, I am not certain about their math, as I get about 29.0%. Another way of putting it is we have about 106 days reserves. The first week in January, we had 112 days reserves. As I said in my previous posting, when this drops to 90 days, prices will begin to rise (more than what they have been rising). If it gets below 70 days, prices will spike upwards until consumption goes down. We could see rising prices this summer. Let me rephrase that, since we are already seeing rising prices, due to higher labor, fertilizer and fuel prices.

This will be more price increases, on top of that.

World Food Supplies continue to tighten, so it looks as though their is a global shortage, at some point in the future. For the US, that will simply mean higher prices, for others, it will mean not enough to eat.

by TRex2 Mon May 10, 2021 6:13 pm

Most recent report from the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation:
http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en/

Global cereal markets tighten as demand remains strong in 2020/21; record wheat production in 2021 could lead to higher stocks in 2021/22
Release date: 06/05/2021

FAO’s forecast for global cereal production in 2020 has been raised by 1.7 million tonnes this month to 2 767 million tonnes, 2.1 percent above the 2019 output. The month-on-month increase almost entirely reflects upward revisions to coarse grain output forecasts in several countries in Africa. As for rice, officials in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and Guinea indicated lower production turnouts than previously foreseen by FAO, outweighing an upgrade for Madagascar and resulting in a slight downward revision to the 2020 global rice production forecast, which nonetheless remains set at an all-time record high.

The forecast for world cereal utilization for 2020/21 has been raised by 6.0 million tonnes from the April figure to 2 783 million tonnes, an increase of 2.7 percent from the 2019/20 level. This month’s increase stems mainly from a 4.2-million-tonne upward revision to the 2020/21 maize utilization forecast, largely reflecting greater than earlier anticipated feed uses in China and the United States of America (USA). This upward revision brings the forecast for total utilization of coarse grains to 3.4 percent above the 2019/20 level. China is expected to account for nearly 60 percent of the year-on-year anticipated growth in the feed use of coarse grains. Nearly unchanged this month, total wheat utilization in 2020/21 is forecast to exceed the previous season’s level by 1.7 percent, with an expected rise in feed use as the primary driver, for the first time since 2011/12 and almost entirely occurring in China. FAO’s forecast for world rice utilization in 2020/21 is changed only fractionally from April’s expectations, now pointing to a 1.9 percent annual expansion and a record high level, underpinned by an anticipated expansion in food uses and a recovery in feed uptake.

FAO’s forecast for world cereal stocks by the close of the 2021 seasons has been revised downwards by 2.8 million tonnes to 805 million tonnes, representing a decline of 2.3 percent from their opening levels. As a result of this downward revision, on top of the higher utilization expectations, the global cereals stocks-to-use ratio would stand at 28.3 percent, down from 29.6 percent in 2019/20 and a hitting a seven-year low. The forecast for global coarse grain stocks has been cut by 4.1 million tonnes from last month’s report, now falling 7.4 percent below opening levels largely on a likely drawdown of maize inventories in the USA and China. A slight upward revision to world wheat inventories since last month has lifted the forecast to 2.8 percent above the opening level, with over 40 percent of the year-on-year increase foreseen to occur in China. Following a 400 000 tonne upward revision, world rice stocks at the close of 2020/21 are seen on-par with their opening levels, as anticipated drawdowns in Bangladesh, China and Indonesia, primarily, will likely be compensated by expected buildups in India, Thailand and the USA.

by Dave58 Wed May 12, 2021 7:03 pm

https://www.kait8.com/2021/05/12/barge-traffic-standstill-wake-bridge-closure/

by rick1 Wed May 12, 2021 7:52 pm

Dave58 wrote:https://www.kait8.com/2021/05/12/barge-traffic-standstill-wake-bridge-closure/

It's only a small crack. I've driven old trucks with frames worse then that.

by TRex2 Thu May 13, 2021 10:02 am

rick1 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:https://www.kait8.com/2021/05/12/barge-traffic-standstill-wake-bridge-closure/

It's only a small crack. I've driven old trucks with frames worse then that.

This is our "Suez canal has ship stuck in it" moment.

by Dave58 Fri May 14, 2021 12:00 pm

TRex2 wrote:
rick1 wrote:
Dave58 wrote:https://www.kait8.com/2021/05/12/barge-traffic-standstill-wake-bridge-closure/

It's only a small crack. I've driven old trucks with frames worse then that.
This is our "Suez canal has ship stuck in it" moment.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-14/mississippi-river-may-reopen-to-barge-traffic-in-24-48-hours

Things might be looking up

by Dave58 Tue May 18, 2021 9:43 am

I don't know how much this will affect our food supply

https://fox59.com/news/national-world/water-crisis-couldnt-be-worse-on-oregon-california-border/

by Dave58 Wed May 19, 2021 9:12 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-57149744

by rick1 Wed May 19, 2021 10:48 am

Dave58 wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-57149744

Something of the same thing but different here in the U.S.:

https://thecounter.org/biden-administration-farmers-conservation-reserve-crp-usda-vilsack/

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